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Item 208: Fat Pets

Entered by richard on Wed Sep 10 00:59:46 2003:

Interesting story in the paper today, concerning a newly released study by
the National Research Council on obese pets.  According to the study, as
many as 1/4th of all cats and dogs in the western world are overweight.
And the problem is particularly acute with cats.  The reasons are pretty
clear.  Many animals don't get enough exercise, and cats in particular
don't.  People want to love and baby their pets, and the popular way of
doing that is to feed them.  Feed them food, and more food, and snacks and
treats.  Dogs and cats don't know any better, they'll eat whatever is put
in front of them often and won't care about getting fat.  But fat pets
live shorter lives and develop medical problems just like humans.

child obesity is a big issue in this country, and pet obesity is related.
people treat their pets like they do their children.  they spoil them.  

Is your cat fat?  Is your dog a widebody?  There is a site the survey
suggests, to learn more about proper nutrition for pets--
www.national-academies.org/petdoor  Of course one issue is you can always
exercise dogs more.  My sister used to take her dog out to the track and
make him run laps with her (which he did happily)  But get a fat cat to
exercise?  surely you jest!  Its a big issue

37 responses total.

#1 of 37 by other on Wed Sep 10 01:02:38 2003:

It really IS a slow summer in the news business, isn't it?


#2 of 37 by cross on Wed Sep 10 03:48:41 2003:

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#3 of 37 by other on Wed Sep 10 04:26:29 2003:

I think you misemphasized it.  National Research Council is the 
organization, and they did, commissioned, or reported on a STUDY on obese 
pets.


#4 of 37 by anderyn on Wed Sep 10 13:38:56 2003:

My cat is not obese, but she's nervous and burns off the caliories. My kitten
is just too hyper to gain, yet.


#5 of 37 by flem on Wed Sep 10 14:30:54 2003:

I've heard that one cause of pet weight gain is that a lot of pet foods are
heavily adulterated with grains as filler.  This doesn't do a whole lot
nutritionally, so the pet eats more of it.  
  On my girlfriend's advice (she knows more about this stuff than I do) I
switched my cat from Purina to Iams a few months ago.  She seems to eat less
now; at least, I have to fill the food bowl less often.  


#6 of 37 by cross on Wed Sep 10 17:08:45 2003:

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#7 of 37 by albaugh on Wed Sep 10 18:22:17 2003:

Garfield is having an effect, I see...


#8 of 37 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 10 19:53:03 2003:

So Purina isn't a good cat-food? I used to use IAMS but stopped after the
story came out on how they treat their research animals. I really don't want
to switch back to them. What would you suggest besides Purina?


#9 of 37 by flem on Wed Sep 10 20:45:07 2003:

I've heard good things about Science Diet.  I guess it's a bit more expensive,
but good in the nutrition department.  You have now exhausted my knowledge
of cat food products.  :)


#10 of 37 by i on Thu Sep 11 00:36:24 2003:

My penny-pinching brother has always fed his dogs the (much more expensive)
no-filler canned food.  He figures that Rover eating 5 times as much of a 
cheapo 4/5-filler food saves no money and means 5 times as much dog do to 
clean up in the yard. 


#11 of 37 by gull on Thu Sep 11 03:48:44 2003:

I think part of it is that if you don't overfeed cats, they become convinced
they are starving and will make pests of themselves.  They just can't bear
to see an empty food dish.


#12 of 37 by russ on Thu Sep 11 12:26:07 2003:

Re #11:  Very true.  That was one of Natasha "the pest"'s
tactics; she'd demand that there be food in her bowl overnight,
even if she had no intention of eating significant amounts of it.
And in the morning it had to be replaced with fresh food.


#13 of 37 by slynne on Thu Sep 11 14:30:25 2003:

My cat is fat at the moment because she was getting skinny so I 
switched her from the "less active" cat food to the "active senior" cat 
food. I feed her Iams. Anyhow, she eats the dog food half the time too 
and the dogs got switched from "less active" to "active senior" too so 
that probably has something to do with it. 

Anyhow, my cat cant stand an empty food dish. I always keep it full. 
Maybe I dont think it is such a big deal if my animals are fat because 
I am fat. Anyhow, all of my guys are healthy and that is what counts. 


#14 of 37 by scott on Thu Sep 11 15:38:07 2003:

I had to feed my two cats separately a couple times a day to prevent them from
eating too much.  One was definitely too fat, the other had old-age bowel
problems.  Yeah, I had to put up with a lot of between-meal complaining, but
it's all part of parenting I guess.


#15 of 37 by micklpkl on Thu Sep 11 15:44:15 2003:

I used to think it wasn't such a big deal to have an obese cat, either. 
Turns out, that probably decreased my late cat's lifespan by 7-10 years.
(see pets:item42 for some discussion about fatty liver syndrome)

N.B.: I'm not directing these statements at any particular grexer. Just 
please be aware of the risks of having an obese geriatric cat.


#16 of 37 by edina on Thu Sep 11 16:24:44 2003:

I have two cats - sisters.  Murphy's weight is fine, Guinness's weight is
high.  Part of the problem is I let them graze.  Not a good thing.  I want
to get a feeder that is set on a timer, to allow X amount of food at certain
times of day, that way if I'm not at home, I don't feel guilty if they aren't
fed.  I also make sure they get wet food, as it's good for them as it has lots
of water and protein.


#17 of 37 by michaela on Thu Sep 11 17:11:08 2003:

I've had good luck with Purina Pro Plan. Cheap cat food always made Gomez
sick, but he's been just fine the past week. It's not too expensive, and he
seems to like it. The main ingredient is chicken, not a corn filler, so it's
much better for him.

He's never been overweight, since he's always been pretty playful, but the
weak tummy was always a concern.


#18 of 37 by bru on Thu Sep 11 17:14:34 2003:

r
Mittens seeks to have put on quite a bit of wight since we got the kitten.
I don't know if this is because she is less stressed, or because she is
getting less exercise, or what.  But she has defenitely put on weight.


#19 of 37 by mynxcat on Thu Sep 11 17:23:52 2003:

Maybe she's getting into the kitten's food? And what is the kittens name?


#20 of 37 by bru on Thu Sep 11 17:51:39 2003:

mughi, his name is Mughi. well, if she is, what is he eating?  She also seems
to be eating less, not more.


#21 of 37 by mynxcat on Thu Sep 11 17:57:27 2003:

I don't know what the kitten is eating. Maybe the kitten is getting enough
to eat. And kitten food, I think, will cause adult cats to put on weight. Just
athought.


#22 of 37 by anderyn on Thu Sep 11 20:12:38 2003:

We haven't been feeding Mughi kitten food, since his previous owners were
feeeding him and his siblings adult food. He seems happy and healthy enough
with what he is eating. I'm just weired out by my petite Mittens getting a
tummy.


#23 of 37 by richard on Fri Sep 12 01:42:37 2003:

somebody oughta link this to the Pets conf


#24 of 37 by tod on Fri Sep 12 04:48:10 2003:

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#25 of 37 by mynxcat on Fri Sep 12 13:57:22 2003:

I thought my cat was gaining weight, so I switched her from grazing to two
meals a day. I still think I feed her a little more than necessary, but she
lost the extra weight, and has been vomiting less from it. The down-side is
that I have to be home by 7:00 pm to give her her evening meal. 


#26 of 37 by gelinas on Fri Sep 12 14:08:38 2003:

(Maybe Mittens is in a family way?)


#27 of 37 by anderyn on Fri Sep 12 16:41:23 2003:

No, she was fixed as soon as possible. And has never encounted any other cats
except Conan (for the weeks we had him, and he's fixed, too, right?) and
Mughi, who is too young to have working parts. :-) She's going to the vet's
next week, for her annual shots, so we'll see whether they think it's a
problem or not. I may try only filling her bowl in the evening and emptying
it in the morning.


#28 of 37 by scott on Fri Sep 12 18:39:29 2003:

Conan is fixed, yes.


#29 of 37 by scg on Wed Sep 17 01:57:20 2003:

Sophie isn't my cat, but don't try telling her that, even though I strongly
suspect she only likes me for my apartment. ;)

My next door neighbor's cat, Sophie, loves to climb in my windows whenever
I leave them open, or make a run for my door if she seems me going in or out.
Actually, her affection for my apartment is somewhat mild.  To get to my
upstairs neighbors' apartment, if she sees a window open, she'll climb a tree
and jump.  Fortunatley, she has good aim.

I've never fed Sophie; she has owners (or guardians, anyway; this is Berkeley)
to do that, but if the windows or doors are open she'll show up in my kitchen
every night at dinner time.  If I do something like unload the dishwasher,
which involves handling *plates* she'll really go nuts.  Generally, I know
better than to actually eat in her presence, but if I'm eating outdoors it
can sometimes be quite hard to keep her off the table.

There was one point last winter when I had a loaf of bread sitting on my
kitchen counter, in a plastic bag.  By the time I caught Sophie with it, there
were little cat tooth sized holes in a circle all the way around the big, each
one with a tiny little piece of bread crust missing from underneath.

I suppose she has a right to be hungry.  Spending her days prowling the
neighborhood, and making mad dashes and leaps from trees when she sees an open
door or window, could probably build up quite an appetite.

She's a neat cat.


#30 of 37 by slynne on Thu Sep 18 02:10:34 2003:

Hehe, there is a neighbor cat up at my folks house who thinks he owns 
all the houses on the street. On my brother's last visit, Ricky spend 
the night in his bed and in the morning he told my mother that he was 
suprised that they had gotten a cat. He is a cool cat but he does have 
some bad habits. One night he broke a screen at the neighbors and 
stormed in and got into a fight with their cats. He nearly did the same 
at my parents' house when my cat was staying there while I was out of 
town. 


#31 of 37 by scott on Thu Sep 18 02:45:40 2003:

Sounds like a tomcat - keep him out or he'll eventually spray some nasty stuff
in your house.


#32 of 37 by dah on Thu Sep 18 02:53:02 2003:

Just like Scott.


#33 of 37 by slynne on Thu Sep 18 13:24:03 2003:

Ricky doesnt spray. He is fixed. He just thinks he is top cat. Anyhow, 
my mom used to try to keep him out of the house but has decided it isnt 
worth the bother. 


#34 of 37 by fitz on Fri Sep 19 16:08:53 2003:

Ricky doesn't spray his own territory:  Perhaps, he will spray the neighbors.
Felines neutered on the late side may spray when they are stressed by
boundries being crossed.

Certainly this happens less often with a neutered cat, but it can happen. 
I have a coat with lots of evidence on it.


#35 of 37 by slynne on Sat Sep 20 01:38:42 2003:

My parents *are* the neighbors. He doesnt spray in their house so they 
let him in. Actually, it isnt so much that they *let* him in. It's that 
they dont kick him out now when he lets himself in. 


#36 of 37 by twenex on Sat Sep 20 15:59:59 2003:

I have two cats, Sox and Ebony.

Sox isn't overweight, he's undertall.

Ebony's not overtall, she's underweight ;-).


#37 of 37 by dah on Sat Sep 20 20:08:21 2003:

;)


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