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Item 199: Recording music from piano

Entered by mynxcat on Wed Sep 3 21:29:15 2003:

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15 responses total.

#1 of 15 by tod on Wed Sep 3 21:32:55 2003:

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#2 of 15 by mynxcat on Wed Sep 3 22:37:08 2003:

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#3 of 15 by tod on Thu Sep 4 00:43:32 2003:

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#4 of 15 by jaklumen on Thu Sep 4 01:30:03 2003:

I've never heard of Cakewalk, Tod-- can you describe?


#5 of 15 by tod on Thu Sep 4 03:37:54 2003:

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#6 of 15 by fitz on Thu Sep 4 12:40:12 2003:

for about $35 you need only the midi adaptor by Advanced Gravis.  You should
have an open RS-232 port in the back of your computer (7-pins + 8-pins). 
 This is where a joystick would commonly plug in.).

You only need a new sound card if the sythesized samples don't come near
enough to your ideals.  That is, does a violin sound something similar to a
real violin?  You need better software if you find your creativity limited
by the number of tracks you can create, difficulty in entering notation.

Cakewalk certainly has its fans.  From discussion on another forum, it fails
as a full-feature notation program, but jazz muscision like it for creating
charts from which to practice improvisation.  Band-in-Box is even easier to
use for this limited purpose.

For full-featured notation, you would want something like Finale or
Sibelius, which cost hundreds.  Both are excellent, but Finale leads the
way in setting standards.

What sort of purpose do you have in mind?  

MidiStudio is about $50, i think, and makes all sorts of sounds.  It has
an editiing program where the sequencing output can be tweaked graphically
or numerically.



#7 of 15 by gull on Thu Sep 4 14:07:05 2003:

Re #6: A few points:

A serial port and a joystick port are different.  I think the confusion
comes because some sound cards use the joystick port to carry MIDI
signals, and you can also buy MIDI adapters that plug into a serial
port.  The two things are seperate, though.

The quality of your sound card's samples only matters if you're using
the sound card itself as a MIDI output device.  If you're connecting
your keyboard's MIDI interface to the computer, the samples that matter
will be the ones on the keyboard.  You can also get "software synth"
programs to play MIDI using their own sample banks, instead of the ones
built into the sound card or keyboard.

MIDI is a bit confusing until you realize what exactly it is.  A WAV or
MP3 file is like a cassette tape recording; it contains a digitized
recording of a particular sound.  It sounds basically the same no matter
how you play it.  MIDI is more like a player piano roll; it describes
the music in terms of notes and durations, and it's up to the MIDI
output device to actually turn them into sounds.  How the result sounds
will depend on what device it's played through.  That device can be a
chip on a sound card, a software program, a keyboard, or anything else
that can make music.  There have been MIDI-controlled pipe organs. 
There's even a propane-powered organ that's controlled through a MIDI
interface.  (See http://www.lhpo.org/)


#8 of 15 by scott on Thu Sep 4 14:50:23 2003:

I believe there are now some inexpensive USB-MIDI adapters out there.

Many sound cards have a 15-pin female connector for MIDI and also joystick,
but the adapter cable is $15-20 (I found a schematic online and made my own,
which wasn't trivial since the schematic was wrong!).


#9 of 15 by fitz on Thu Sep 4 18:01:58 2003:

I stand corrected on the distinction between a serial connection and a
joystick connection--It is a joystick connection.

Nevertheless, extensive lengths of cable can be used.   I should have thought
to mention that USB-MIDI should be on the market by now.

I hope you don't have Win 3.1, because configuring the protocols for MIDI
devices was a real headache and test of patience with that platform.


#10 of 15 by mynxcat on Thu Sep 4 18:22:42 2003:

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#11 of 15 by scott on Thu Sep 4 18:36:56 2003:

That would be a safe assumption, yes.  :)


#12 of 15 by jaklumen on Fri Sep 5 05:40:53 2003:

resp:6 they used Finale at the piano lab when I was at Central 
Washington University.  The commands are a little complex, but it does 
seem pretty comprehensive.


#13 of 15 by mynxcat on Sun Sep 14 02:38:26 2003:

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#14 of 15 by tod on Sun Sep 14 06:45:56 2003:

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#15 of 15 by krj on Tue Sep 16 22:38:33 2003:

(( Linked from Summer 2003 Agora to Music, so it can be easily found as a 
   reference topic. ))


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