Grex Agora46 Conference

Item 11: Friendster and relationship networks

Entered by polygon on Mon Jun 23 04:50:34 2003:

Okay, so I signed up with Friendster a while back.  Lynne and Aaron were
the ones who got me into it.

As of now, I'm directly connected to nine friends, and I'm directly or
indirectly connected to a total of 12,179 people.  And so are you, if
you're connected to Lynne or Aaron or any of their friends or friends-
of-friends.

The toplogy of this is somewhat interesting.  I mean, it's easy to imagine
how a cluster of a few people, like the handful of local Grexers and sf
community folks who got me into this, could gradually spread out around
the edges.  This kind of growth would be experienced as a gain of a small
percentage of new contacts each few days or week, say. Along the way, an
expanding network is going to collide with other similarly expanding
networks and automatically merge.  From any individual's perspective, this
would be a sudden upsurge, like a doubling of the size of one's network
overnight.

A single individual who happens to know two people who belong to different
clusters can singlehandedly merge those clusters, at least in a
mathematical sense.  But if there are two large and tightly interconnected
clusters connected by a single individual, their status as a "one single" 
network is very tenuous.  If that one account gets deleted, does that
separate the two clusters, causing all their members to see their network
size drop in half?

I think about these issues because my web site has a somewhat analogous
problem: political families.  Thousands of the politicians in my database
are connected by blood, marriage, or adoption.  Every cluster of three or
more is listed here: http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/index.html
(there are 410 clusters; the largest one has 130 members).

The clusters are determined (and even named) automatically: the program,
in effect, follows each link and connects up everyone it finds into one
"family".  By this logic, Mario Cuomo is listed on the Kennedy family
page, because his son married RFK's daughter.

I do include a disclaimer that says: "Some families traditionally (and
perhaps properly) considered separately are joined together here if linked
by marriage or otherwise." 

The largest cluster, Livingston-Harrison-Lee, includes such folks as
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, John
Marshall, William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, and Jefferson Davis -- I
guess it illustrates what a small world was the aristocracy of early
America.

But I'm not really interested in seeing the big clusters merge with each
other, likely as that is as I accumulate more data.  Who really wants to
plow through an inventory of thousands of people in one enormous cluster?
70 responses total.

#1 of 70 by polytarp on Mon Jun 23 11:13:21 2003:

I'm afraid of Friendster.  Someone sent me an invitation to sign up, and I
still have no idea what it is:  Nor do I even want to know at this point.

Signed, I hate Friendster.


#2 of 70 by polygon on Mon Jun 23 13:59:28 2003:

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#3 of 70 by rcurl on Mon Jun 23 14:58:01 2003:

What's Friendster do?


#4 of 70 by polytarp on Mon Jun 23 15:12:23 2003:

Don't ask.


#5 of 70 by mynxcat on Mon Jun 23 15:21:10 2003:

I lost interest in Friendster. 


#6 of 70 by lynne on Mon Jun 23 15:28:31 2003:

It's a six-degrees-of-separation type website.  And it always seemed like
the bad-idea factor outweighed the possibly-fun factor.


#7 of 70 by tod on Mon Jun 23 16:27:31 2003:

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#8 of 70 by slynne on Mon Jun 23 20:43:00 2003:

I think it is kind of fun. It is fun to see who knows whom and such. 
What really interests me is how I am sometimes connected to people by 
multiple, seemingly unrelated, paths. It is kind of cool. 


#9 of 70 by slynne on Mon Jun 23 20:45:49 2003:

Oh yeah, and I really think it is cool that my family is kind of one of 
the political family groups. 
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/4499.html

Larry, you rock. 


#10 of 70 by arianna on Tue Jun 24 17:17:58 2003:

I'm on it, but only just recently -- (carson) exerted peer pressure upon me.


#11 of 70 by lk on Tue Jun 24 22:26:13 2003:

I suppose now that I've been invited to join that it can't hurt -- they
already have my email. :(


#12 of 70 by polygon on Wed Jun 25 18:08:45 2003:

My email has been out in public for so long, and in so many places, that
it would be silly to try to hide it now.  I do get 2,000-some spam per
month (not even counting the Nigerian frauds), but I have a spam filter
to sort it out for me.

I have noticed that Friendster won't let you visit the profile pages of
people more than about 4 links away.  Does that mean that 12,000-some
individuals are within four links of me?  Hard to believe...


#13 of 70 by naftee on Thu Jun 26 01:23:07 2003:

Friendster sucks.


#14 of 70 by polytarp on Thu Jun 26 01:36:18 2003:

I agree fully.


#15 of 70 by carson on Thu Jul 10 16:42:40 2003:

(Larry's correct in noticing that Friendster only connects within four
degrees of separation.  if one begins from the premise that we are all
connected within six degrees, it's not hard to imagine that a fairly
large number of people are connected within four.  to take Larry for
example, if all of his nine friends have nine friends who all have nine
friends, et cetera, then he's connected to 7380 people.  that doesn't
account for overlapping [i.e., Aaron and Lynne are friends with each
other, and both friends of Larry]...  and it also doesn't account for
what I like to call "mega-friends.")

(let's take David Haselhoff, for instance.  Mr. Haselhoff, late of 
_Baywatch_, has made many fans through his long and illustrious acting
career, not to mention his popularity as an overseas singing sensation.
he currently lists a whopping 348 friends.  I can only imagine the
size of his personal network, and the closer someone is to him, the 
larger their own personal network will be.)

(there are probably analogous figures in political history [my best
guess: many of the Kennedys] who, by virtue of being personally 
connected to many people, greatly expand the network of those who make
their acquaintance.)


#16 of 70 by tod on Thu Jul 10 17:08:34 2003:

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#17 of 70 by carson on Thu Jul 10 19:00:43 2003:

(he's in mine, too.  so's God.  twice, at least.)


#18 of 70 by dcat on Thu Jul 10 20:12:12 2003:

hmm.  It seems like Erdos should get a mention here. . . .


#19 of 70 by slynne on Thu Jul 10 20:22:41 2003:

I dont think David Hasselhoff is in my network. But then, he might be. 
I have something like 50,000 people in my network which seems like a 
whole lot. 


#20 of 70 by slynne on Thu Jul 10 20:23:29 2003:

I did notice that God was in my network but I figured if God wanted to 
be my friend, he would ask me so I never bothered to ask him to be his 
friend ;)


#21 of 70 by flem on Thu Jul 10 20:32:27 2003:

re 18:  Heh.  


#22 of 70 by orinoco on Thu Jul 10 21:01:03 2003:

Actually, there are a few Friendster-type sites out there for mathematicians,
including at least one for finding Erdos numbers.  My uncle is a
mathematician, and he sends us links to this sort of thing from time to time.
Try http://www.acs.oakland.edu/~grossman/erdoshp.html


#23 of 70 by janc on Fri Jul 11 02:53:45 2003:

My Erdos number is 3.


#24 of 70 by gelinas on Fri Jul 11 04:04:14 2003:

I assume mine is a sideways figure eight.

(I've never published a paper, much less collaborated on one.)


#25 of 70 by jolok on Wed Jul 16 08:17:54 2003:

I just joined, because I'm really anti-social and one of my
friends thought I needed it.  I have no real basis upon
which to judge the network; it's just another 'meet people'
site.  If you're into those, you'll probably like it more
than some other sites; if not, you won't.


#26 of 70 by slynne on Wed Jul 16 13:32:14 2003:

Heh. I havent actually met anyone from friendster. I guess 
putting "crazy psycho bitch" in my bio is a turnoff or something ;)


#27 of 70 by mvpel on Wed Jul 16 18:19:19 2003:

I'm connected in through Sean Hastings.


#28 of 70 by slynne on Wed Jul 16 19:05:46 2003:

Ah yes, Sean Hastings and a 100 of his *closest* friends. HAW!



#29 of 70 by mvpel on Wed Jul 16 20:36:43 2003:

When you've been in the variety of lines of work he has, you wind up with a
lot of acquaintences.

In any case, I went to school with him and his sister.


#30 of 70 by slynne on Wed Jul 16 21:22:15 2003:

REALLY?!? You know his *sister*? That's impressive. ;)


#31 of 70 by cross on Wed Jul 16 22:03:54 2003:

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#32 of 70 by slynne on Wed Jul 16 22:35:08 2003:

He used to be on Mnet


#33 of 70 by jules on Fri Jul 18 02:39:08 2003:

i know sean hastings. didnt we go to school with him lynne?


#34 of 70 by slynne on Fri Jul 18 16:12:46 2003:

I dont remember


#35 of 70 by happyboy on Fri Jul 18 17:35:29 2003:

*rolls eyes*

;)


#36 of 70 by mvpel on Sun Jul 20 19:27:07 2003:

I don't get it.  What's your point?


#37 of 70 by slynne on Mon Jul 21 16:07:50 2003:

I guess I was having an "in joke" with myself. If there is such a thing 
as a Friendster Slut, then Sean Hastings is it. I guess I find a little 
humor in that. That was my only point. :)


#38 of 70 by carson on Tue Jul 22 15:49:18 2003:

(if he's on par with someone like "David Haselhoff", then I prefer to
think of them as "facilitators".)  ;)


#39 of 70 by slynne on Tue Jul 22 16:09:15 2003:

I heard a radio program this weekend that did a story about Friendster. 
They called those folks "spokes" because they were like the center of a 
huge wheel. Of course, they were talking about people with 
300+ "friends" so I guess when it comes to being Friendster Whore, Mr. 
Hastings is definately small time. I dont think I could get 300 people 
even if everyone I know were to join. Maybe if everyone who has ever 
heard of me were to join, I could get up to 300. heh. ;) I guess I will 
never be a "spoke"


#40 of 70 by munkey on Fri Jul 25 05:18:50 2003:

I signed up to Friendster a while back cus carson said to and I 
couldn't figure out what the fuck I had to do next so I said fuck it 
hehe :) What's my point? There is no point.


#41 of 70 by novomit on Fri Jul 25 11:38:14 2003:

Ditto. 


#42 of 70 by mynxcat on Fri Jul 25 12:56:29 2003:

I signed up and forgot my user id and password. I'm not too interested in it.


#43 of 70 by novomit on Fri Jul 25 12:57:24 2003:

Me neither. The site design sucks. 


#44 of 70 by polytarp on Fri Jul 25 13:15:20 2003:

Cross-dressing scum.


#45 of 70 by novomit on Fri Jul 25 13:16:01 2003:

You're just jealous that you're too damn inhibited to try it. 


#46 of 70 by carson on Fri Jul 25 14:30:45 2003:

(the site design DOES suck.)


#47 of 70 by tod on Fri Jul 25 16:41:18 2003:

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#48 of 70 by munkey on Fri Jul 25 16:54:12 2003:

Yeah that's probably what made me not want to go back and try it, the site
design sucked and it was slow.. oh yeah and I forgot my login and password.
Thanks alot carson!


#49 of 70 by bhelliom on Fri Jul 25 20:00:51 2003:

I have one also, but there's really nothing to keep me inclined to 
maintain it.  There are much more interesting ways to build a network of
online "friends".


#50 of 70 by slynne on Sat Jul 26 12:46:03 2003:

I havent actually met anyone on Friendster. I have run across some 
people I have lost touch with though. Mostly I find it interesting to 
see all the connections people have


#51 of 70 by furs on Mon Jul 28 18:58:22 2003:

My favorite part about friendster is Slynne's testimony.
I hate the site design.
That's all I have to say.


#52 of 70 by slynne on Mon Jul 28 19:47:38 2003:

I dont mind the site design so much but I wonder how it would work if 
it were combined with a blog site or something. 


#53 of 70 by polygon on Tue Jul 29 11:54:09 2003:

The problem is not the design so much as the slowness.


#54 of 70 by slynne on Tue Jul 29 14:37:58 2003:

Yeah. I dont like the slowness. 


#55 of 70 by scg on Tue Aug 5 00:41:22 2003:

Out of boredness this afternoon, I now have a Friendster account.  I suppose
I should add some friends at some point.


#56 of 70 by novomit on Tue Aug 5 11:25:07 2003:

I did the same, but I don't really know anyone, so I doubt it it will cure
my board em.


#57 of 70 by jor on Wed Aug 6 23:15:09 2003:

        can't you just click on 'friends'?


#58 of 70 by novomit on Thu Aug 7 12:06:19 2003:

Nay, I ain't that bright. 


#59 of 70 by naftee on Sat Sep 6 20:31:52 2003:

re 0 HEY D00D APROVE ME AS YOUR FRIENDSTER FRIEND>
PLZ


#60 of 70 by dah on Sat Sep 6 20:32:10 2003:

YEAH DO IT POLYGON/LAWRENCE KESTENBAUM


#61 of 70 by polygon on Sun Sep 7 02:49:22 2003:

Re 69.  Who are you?


#62 of 70 by asddsa on Sun Sep 7 05:24:37 2003:

I believe you meant "59".


#63 of 70 by carson on Sun Sep 7 05:38:35 2003:

(I've met some people on Friendster.  it's actually been pretty cool and
reminds me of my early years on Grex.  strangely enough, my PN seems to
have levelled off above the half-million mark, which is pretty cool, if
wholly implausible.  Larry's within two degrees of me, so I'm probably
skewing his PN too.)


#64 of 70 by tod on Sun Sep 7 15:03:53 2003:

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#65 of 70 by naftee on Sun Sep 7 17:14:57 2003:

tod was the second person to add me as a dfriend.


#66 of 70 by tod on Sun Sep 7 18:28:20 2003:

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#67 of 70 by furs on Mon Sep 8 00:38:21 2003:

You're first on my list, baby.


#68 of 70 by asddsa on Mon Sep 8 01:48:19 2003:

re 66 D0od Ernald invited me.
re 67 ADD ME


#69 of 70 by tod on Mon Sep 8 16:42:11 2003:

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#70 of 70 by asddsa on Wed Sep 10 13:18:09 2003:

who is that?


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