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Item 7: The Sad Item

Entered by cfadm on Thu Dec 31 16:48:28 2015:

170 new of 252 responses total.


#83 of 252 by cross on Sat Oct 6 13:29:28 2018:

identd is totally insecure and, frankly, kind of useless.


#84 of 252 by tod on Mon Oct 8 18:43:38 2018:

As is IRC
Open port 113 and release the hounds


#85 of 252 by ball on Wed Oct 10 23:47:43 2018:

Re. #83: Thanks, I trust your judgement and I'll pass that on.


#86 of 252 by cross on Thu Oct 11 13:04:15 2018:

resp:85 sorry, I didn't mean to come across as flippant.
The issue with ident is that when you connect to some remote
system, the distant end connects back to ident service on the
machine you're connecting from (if it can) and queries it
for who you are by sending some metadata about the your
connection to them.

The first problem is that, with all the firewalling and so
forth used these days, more often than not the distant end
can't connect to the machine you're coming from anyway (either
it'll hit a NAT gateway, or the traffic is just rejected).

The second problem is that there's nothing at all that
prevents your system from straight-up lying to the distant
end.

This protocol never worked particularly well, but it made
more sense when the Internet was much smaller, connections
were generally end-to-end, and most users connected via
machines that could be at least somewhat trusted.

Sadly, identd is a relic from a bygone era.


#87 of 252 by ball on Fri Oct 12 01:05:26 2018:

Re. #86: I resemble that remark. ;-)


#88 of 252 by cross on Fri Oct 12 13:30:04 2018:

Heh.


#89 of 252 by tod on Mon Oct 15 16:45:33 2018:

IDENTD wouldn't lie to me.  We're friends.


#90 of 252 by kentn on Sun Nov 4 01:11:24 2018:

IBB because this new manager job means full time programming and half
time managing and management meetings.  So now I'm working too many hours
each week and starting to think another job would be better.  I like the
system we use and have used it for many years now and know all the
backend parts of it.  But if I have to do 60+ hr. weeks all the time.
I might have to quit and find a more reasonable position.  This week
I logged off at 5:45 p.m. on Friday because I was wanting a reasonable
Friday and we'll see if anyone notices.  Got a lot of stuff done around
the house and garage that needed doing as a result. Winter is coming!



#91 of 252 by tod on Mon Nov 5 22:18:36 2018:

Sounds like a good weekend.
I'm also living 5 different lives in a 24 hour period.


#92 of 252 by kentn on Mon Nov 12 21:12:39 2018:

Thanks, tod.  Yeah, I've heard other people say they aren't going to
work extra hours anymore.  Of course the last guy that got fired, so maybe
it's not such a good idea. We'll see.


#93 of 252 by papa on Tue Nov 13 08:46:22 2018:

R.I.P. Stan Lee and Douglas Rain


#94 of 252 by tfurrows on Fri Jan 4 15:07:55 2019:

I'm sad that the python3 pexpect library isn't installed... could we get it
added? Thanks!


#95 of 252 by kentn on Wed Jan 16 02:13:08 2019:

I'm sad because my new job is turning into a horrible experience.


#96 of 252 by papa on Wed Jan 16 13:33:36 2019:

You have my sympathy.


#97 of 252 by cross on Wed Jan 16 14:32:38 2019:

What's the job and why is it becoming horrible? Would you be
interested in switching jobs?


#98 of 252 by tod on Wed Jan 16 19:15:09 2019:

re #95
Yikes
What's going on?


#99 of 252 by kentn on Wed Jan 16 23:02:02 2019:

Way too much work, lots of unpaid overtime, for example. Not following
SOPs, which, in a regulated industry could be a regulatory audit issue
(and even potentially a legal issue) where I'd be the person responsible
(my boss tells me to let it go, we'll do it later, but later never
comes).  And on and on. My life has basically fallen apart.  Things
around the home aren't getting done, for example. It's too stressful.


#100 of 252 by cross on Thu Jan 17 02:48:32 2019:

That sounds really awful.  Are you interested in switching at
this time?


#101 of 252 by tod on Thu Jan 17 19:22:46 2019:

re #99
Sometimes, if you have the boss's direction to let it go (and in writing
e.g. email) then that's probably the right thing to do.
Unpaid overtime doesn't sound nice.  Is that legal?


#102 of 252 by walkman on Sun Jan 20 00:13:52 2019:

Unpaid overtime is totally legal if the employee is classified as
"salary exempt." I fall into this classification. Unlimited free
overtime.  Salary exempt is to overtime what the solar panel is to
"clean energy".

Design engineers (my case) are "learned professionals" who are QUALIFIED
as exempt. I'm so lucky.

Please see section 541.400 "computer employees" below:
https://www.dol.gov/whd/overtime/regulations.pdf

541.400    General rule for computer 
employees. 
(a) 
Computer systems analysts, 
computer programmers, software 
engineers or other similarly skilled 
workers in the computer field are 
eligible for exemption as professionals 
under section 13(a)(1) of the Act and 
under section 13(a)(17) of the Act. 
Because job titles vary widely and 
change quickly in the computer 
industry, job titles are not determinative 
of the applicability of this exemption. 
(b) 
The section 13(a)(1) exemption 
applies to any computer employee 
compensated on a salary or fee basis at 
a rate of not less than $455 per week (or 
$380 per week, if employed in 
American Samoa by employers other 
than the Federal Government), exclusive 
of board, lodging or other facilities, and 
the section 13(a)(17) exemption applies 
to any computer employee compensated 
on an hourly basis at a rate not less than 
$27.63 an hour. In addition, under 
either section 13(a)(1) or section 
13(a)(17) of the Act, the exemptions 
apply only to computer employees 
whose primary duty consists of: 
(1) 
The application of systems 
analysis techniques and procedures, 
including consulting with users, to 
determine hardware, software or system 
functional specifications; 
(2) 
The design, development, 
documentation, analysis, creation, 
testing or modification of computer 
systems or programs, including 
prototypes, based on and related to user 
or system design specifications; 
(3) 
The design, documentation, 
testing, creation or modification of 
computer programs related to machine 
operating systems; or 
(4) 
A combination of the 
aforementioned duties, the performance 
of which requires the same level of 
skills. 


#103 of 252 by walkman on Sun Jan 20 00:19:37 2019:

That being said Kent (#90), I'm very sorry to hear about your stress.
If the situation looks long term, maybe there's another employer that
will value your time. Or is that the nature of the job?

I work for a large company that is laying people off en masse on regular
cycles. Typically, when it rains, it pours. Mass layoff, followed by
extreme doubling and tripling of my work and the obvious endless
overtime you would expect. Usually, we are told, "SHUT UP. YOU ARE LUCKY
TO BE WORKING." I'm about to be let go or experience the great fortune
of having my work doubled; literally next week or the following. There's
work elsewhere but much further away accompanied with lower pay and
fewer benefits. Hooray!

Joni Mitchell said something about a circle game.


#104 of 252 by kentn on Mon Jan 21 05:38:49 2019:

We get a new boss in a little over a week, so we'll see how that goes.
The main driver of all this nonsense is the project I'm on which had
its timeline shortened, is overly complex, with a client who changes
the requirements all the time and has a shortage of people when we need
them (due to competing projects).  On top of this the client changed the
system we use, so that has been a learning curve for everyone. Most
of the team is new people.

With any luck I can get through the next couple weeks in good shape and
then get back to management tasks.  However, yes, I'm salaried and don't
get any overtime.  On top of this, I have a contract situation in the
job which I need to fulfill before I can reasonably move to some other
position without paying a penalty.  That runs out in Sept. this year.

My previous employer's recruiter called me last week, so we got
connected on Linked-In. That's an alternative for at least discussion.
That company paid straight-time overtime and generally I didn't
work much overtime at all.  But the money was less and I wasn't on
salary. There was not much hope for advancement or raises, either.  This
current job has opportunities for advancement and we usually get some
increase in salary each year as well as some kind of bonus.

It is somewhat the nature of the job that there are occasional times
when extra work is required, but not all the time, usually, like it
has been for many months now.  It is a regulated industry subject to
(unannounced) federal agency audits so not following SOPs is not a
good thing, no matter what the boss says.  I could, perhaps, switch to
another industry.  My goals for employment don't stretch much past 3
years at this point, though that could change.


#105 of 252 by kentn on Fri Feb 1 01:49:48 2019:

New boss is here.  Seems reasonable so far, though she hasn't said
much.  She's worked for this company for 16 years prior to this gig, so
I hope knows how things should work.  Old boss said he'd give me a call
sometime and I told him okay.  Probably wants to know how this project
is going.  Aside from working 4 straight weeks every day to halfway keep
up, it is close to done. Can you say "death march?" Delivery is Feb 14
or maybe a day or two later.  Everything is programmed and validated
so it's just those last minute changes we need to get past. 

IBB I haven't had time for much of anything around the house, like
chores and relaxing.

IBB we'll never get paid for all the overtime we've put in.


#106 of 252 by walkman on Sat Feb 9 12:24:53 2019:

The lesson I learned by observing the media and the "man on the street"
reactions to job cuts, unpaid overtime, etc is this:
If you make a decent living and don't work for a union or work in some
god-awful coalmine no one gives a shit what you go through. 

That said, I was spared being cut. My department was given the all clear
by the president of the company. Next week all departments are going to
be reorganized. The fun never ends and if you complain, "you should be
grateful for having a job." It's far too early in the economic cycle for
this greed and exploitation. 

The media excitement over "the gig economy" where you deliver groceries
or taxi people with no benefits while an app company makes billions is
the future. If you sell everything, invest in a lucrative investment
fund and live in a van, you could do gigs and collect food stamps. It's
the future for millenials. Sign up for the new green deal. Be a hero. My
advice to generation z: learn a trade. Fix furnaces or replace plumbing.
Corporate America is a race to the bottom unless you are a management
type who can live with firing single moms with 3 kids. 



#107 of 252 by tod on Sun Feb 10 06:45:59 2019:

Whatever happened to "mansplaining"?
That was a real friend-maker culture.


#108 of 252 by kentn on Thu Mar 14 00:26:08 2019:

Okay, IBB, this place drives me nuts.  I got put on another study and
nothing much is getting done.  People say they're programming but I
don't see the results.  So I asked for a few more programmers, got 3
contractors.  Then 2 of them got pulled back to their previous work so
I put the other guy to work and he got a few things working.  However,
today we found out we've got to change a lot of things and do even more
work, so I asked for a few more programmers and all I got was "I gave
you 3 the other day."  Of course, 3 became 1 so that didn't help as
much as 3 so that's what I told this so-called boss (same level as I
am).  So, I think it's time she started running this project and see
what happens to her.  Supposedly this is the most important project
around, but not when some other project needs people then it's the
most important project.  I keep having to work weekends and things at
home are falling apart even more than before.  So, I'm not all that
happy right now.  Our client likes to dump more work on us that we have
people to do it and then they say 'hire more people.'  But, as I noted,
people are leaving every month.  And replacements take time to come up
to speed. So, that isn't working.  I'm mostly tired all the time and
unmotivated.  I'd like to work for a company that treats people with
respect and work in environment that isn't about blame but about fixing
things if they aren't working. Thankfully, the lead programmer that was
out sick for a month came back today, so he can start dealing with the
nonsense I've been dealing with.  On the plus side, I fixed a couple
Unix issues today for people and that was okay.  Just that it came at
the expense of other work I'm supposed to be doing.


#109 of 252 by papa on Thu Mar 14 15:47:16 2019:

You have my sympathy. Sounds like a pathological work environment.


#110 of 252 by kentn on Sat Mar 16 01:19:56 2019:

Thanks.  Waiting for the end of days here. It's two days later and
very little got done.  I know people are waiting for the end of the
study so they can jump in cause problems but we don't have time
for new validation program development. Today I got word that 4
of the people helping just became potential programmers for other
projects on a moment's notice, so now we are going into the final
phase without the people we need to do the work, and we only
have 5 days to do everthing.  So far they've been working on it
for 9 days and aren't done yet.  So that doesn't bode well.  


#111 of 252 by tod on Sat Mar 16 04:32:42 2019:

re #110
Sounds horrible
What kind of methodology do they use and is there a program owner who
tracks resources?


#112 of 252 by kentn on Sun Mar 17 14:32:30 2019:

It's clinical study reports and data.  Several different statistical
procedures and models are used.  We'll determine if a drug is
significantly better than its alternative.

Yes, resources are tracked by management above me. We meet regularly to
see how things are going and so far it is "not well."  


#113 of 252 by tod on Mon Mar 18 23:48:29 2019:

Hang in there


#114 of 252 by kentn on Tue Mar 19 03:05:16 2019:

Thanks, Tod.  So far we are making some progress.  Lots of changes
at the last minute, lots of comments to fix, etc.  But, we've got
people working on things even though they aren't doing very well with
their programming (we move some things to others who have more time or
experience so that things might get done on time).  Many hands make
light work out the impossible sometimes.  We'll see.  Why in the world
can't people be more about problem-solving than blaming, I don't know.
One of the best jobs I ever had was had a culture of problem-solving and
trying to make sure things got fixed and didn't happen again, rather
than trying to find blame.  Oh well.  The idea is if we can get our
validation programs working now, they might work, without much change,
when we get to the end of this thing.  It is a Byzantine system and set
up we have to work in and that confuses people a lot. I'll be working on
training for it in month so we can get people off to a better start and
provide more guidance when they hit snags.  Unfortunately the system is
one that can take years to learn the details of (long learning curve).
I've been working in it for a total of 10 years now.


#115 of 252 by papa on Mon Mar 25 22:57:13 2019:

resp:113

tod, I apologize (to you and everyone) for posting a private message here,
but I haven't recieved a reply to e-mails sent to both tod@grex.org and
treasurer@cyberspace.org, and I know you follow this conference item.

I made a PayPal payment for a 1-year membership back in December, but my 
name is still not on the members list. Someone told me you are the Grex 
treasurer responsible for handling membership payments. Please let me 
know if there's anything more you need me to do to process this.

I'm sad because I'm not a Grex member.



#116 of 252 by tod on Tue Mar 26 18:09:08 2019:

I'll look into this for you.  Thansk for bringing it up.
I have no idea where those email addresses are forwarding to.


#117 of 252 by papa on Tue Mar 26 23:06:31 2019:

resp:116
Thanks! Let me know if there's any information you need.


#118 of 252 by kentn on Sat Mar 30 20:15:25 2019:

If the payment came to PayPal, that account used to email some people,
including me.  If I knew about things like this I'd usually fix them 
up right away.  But I don't get the e-mails any more and it's harder
for me to find out what is going on, and work has been a hellish mess,
so I haven't dug into things further.  The people that get e-mails
when there's a status change in PayPal is an option on the account, I
think.  At the very least, treasurer@grex.org should be in the list.


#119 of 252 by papa on Sun Mar 31 12:36:59 2019:

cross got my membership fixed-up. Thanks! I'm not sad anymore.


#120 of 252 by tfurrows on Tue Apr 9 13:23:52 2019:

Grex seems to be having network problems, which makes me :(
I'm not sure what's going on, which makes me more :(


#121 of 252 by cross on Tue Apr 9 14:13:52 2019:

It seems to be ok now, but yeah, something was really bad about
an hour ago.


#122 of 252 by papa on Sat Apr 13 10:28:03 2019:



#123 of 252 by kentn on Thu Jul 18 01:06:38 2019:

Work continues to be a real mess.  Now we have a lot of programmers
who don't check their program logs and then we have errors and warnings
all over the place.  It's taking time to fix, and of course the timelines
got over a month shorter last week, so it's like the client is trying to
work us to death.  But, the log issues are ours to fix, unfortunately.
Not sure what to say other than they push people too hard to get things
done in a short time and then people start skipping steps.  I've been
preaching about log checks now for 4 weeks and it's still happening.

I guess people like playing with the manager to see if he notices (he
does).  Next will be 1:1s to see what is going on and if it keeps
happening it will become a performance issue.  I hope it doesn't go that
far.  I have one programmer who doesn't like unix and can't deal with it
although the rest are fine with what they need to do on the server. He
refused to let me show him how to make it easier (shell features,
aliases, and simple editor).


#124 of 252 by bwh on Thu Jul 18 01:33:21 2019:

"doesn't like unix" ... "refused ... to make it easier". My guess is that
person is either just frustrated or hates to accept something they griped
about is just different not bad. A gentle nudge may be in order.


#125 of 252 by kentn on Thu Jul 18 02:10:45 2019:

Yeah.  We were told by the client to do everything on the unix server
and this basically forces him to work there.  I'll see where he's at
tomorrow, mentally, and if he wants I can get him set up so he can work
reasonably well from the command line.  It is a requirement of his job,
so he'll need to adapt and find a way to do his work.


#126 of 252 by tod on Thu Jul 18 03:09:06 2019:

Can you tie log checks into log feeds to some sort of alert automation?


#127 of 252 by kentn on Thu Jul 18 22:57:47 2019:

It's difficult with the system we use to do anything after then run in
an automated way.  We can't change the system, for one thing.  However,
we can check all the logs in a directory with one of my scripts quite
easily.

Again, we are dealing unix and the majority don't want to deal with it,
and that includes running scripts.


#128 of 252 by papa on Sat Jul 20 08:35:57 2019:

ISB it's been fifty years since humanity first set foot on the Moon and
nobody's been back in forty-seven years.


#129 of 252 by tod on Sun Jul 21 05:20:41 2019:

Artemis will change that


#130 of 252 by walkman on Wed Jul 24 22:31:04 2019:

It's totally normal for rocket thrust to appear like glitter.
https://tinyurl.com/yxw4szng

I truly believe that fuel melts steel girders too.

tag: unicorns, rainbows, morethantwogenders


#131 of 252 by tod on Thu Jul 25 18:23:24 2019:

re #130
Same studio as this
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/1/space
-199
9-andrea-gatti.jpg


#132 of 252 by bwh on Sun Jul 28 00:25:21 2019:

re #131 - Very phallic.


#133 of 252 by tod on Thu Aug 1 16:54:25 2019:

It's Martin Landau


#134 of 252 by papa on Thu Aug 1 23:53:06 2019:

ISB I was a big fan of Space: 1999 way back in the day, but I watched a couple
of episodes from Series 2 on UK Armed Forces TV during a recent business trip,
and have to admit they were crap. I remember Series 1 being much better,
though I'm not confident my memory will stand up to rewatching.

Same for UFO, which my memory placed even higher than Space: 1999. Good model
work, but the plot was too wonky of me to enjoy anymore. Surprisingly dark
for a 1970s TV show.


#135 of 252 by tod on Tue Aug 6 14:31:42 2019:

UFO looks interesting


#136 of 252 by bwh on Tue Aug 6 18:43:50 2019:

Netflix has Stargate Universe available. I'm moving through those now. I think
it's a great story. I really like the characters. I hear there's effort to
bring it back but I'm not sure about that. Some story lines are best told in
just a few seasons before the writers run out of original ideas and the
audience get bored.


#137 of 252 by walkman on Wed Sep 25 11:29:45 2019:

Replace the capacitors in your Commodore computers and make sure to 
upgrade to new power supplies!


#138 of 252 by walkman on Wed Sep 25 11:48:43 2019:

If I told you it was possible to run a Commodore Vic 20 with 1MB of RAM 
and 8MB of flash rom would you think I was nuttier than Alexandria 
Ocasio-Cortez?
http://store.go4retro.com/ultimem-vic-20-memory-expansion-cartridge/

What about a wifi modem that worked on the VIC and the 64?
https://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=WiModemOLED

Or that there are scores of BBSs out there that aren't grex?
https://theoasisbbs.com/resources/



#139 of 252 by tod on Sat Oct 12 04:29:24 2019:

re #138
What's the best commodore bbs terminal emulator for Win10?


#140 of 252 by kentn on Sat Oct 19 21:14:56 2019:

So now, we are losing work and by April 2020 I'll be out of work and
probably be laid off.  No fun.  But if there is a severence that is
decent then it might be okay.  And I can apply for another job.  Or I
can try to stay where I'm at but I still would need to apply for job
on some other project.  I hope I can hang in here for another couple
years. But we'll see.



#141 of 252 by papa on Mon Oct 21 12:35:04 2019:

resp:140 

I do not envy your employment uncertainty, Kent. Hope everything works out
for you.


#142 of 252 by walkman on Mon Oct 21 16:36:46 2019:

Synchterm will allow Windows (and many other operating systems) to 
communicate with BBSs that have full CGTerm Commodore 64 PETSCII 
support.
http://syncterm.bbsdev.net/

It's really neat. I wish PETSCII was embraced by all terminals!


#143 of 252 by kentn on Wed Oct 23 01:44:37 2019:

Re 141:  Thanks, I hope so, too.  
 
Re 141:  That is neat.  Thanks.


#144 of 252 by ball on Sat Oct 26 20:04:28 2019:

    Re. 140: Good luck!  The company I joined a year ago
seems to be struggling too but there's very little
technology work within commuting range and I'm not really
qualified for anything else. I'll just do the best job I can
until I can find something else.


#145 of 252 by kentn on Mon Oct 28 16:16:37 2019:

Thanks, Andy.  It might not be much of an interview, but it all depends
on a job opening up that fits my title/role.  If not, then that's it
and I'll be interviewing for another job.  I'm hoping it won't be a big
deal and that something opens up (the industry has a lot of training
requirements and starting a new job means going through all that again,
for example, plus learning a new company culture and ways of working).
Good luck with your job situation, too, Andy!


#146 of 252 by kentn on Sun Jan 12 14:52:50 2020:

IBB Neil Peart, drummer for the band Rush, and a hugely talented musician,
died this week.  RIP Neil.


#147 of 252 by papa on Wed Jan 15 03:13:28 2020:

resp:146
R.I.P. today's Tom Sawyer.


#148 of 252 by tonster on Sat Feb 29 16:39:10 2020:

resp:136: SGU was *terrible*. If you enjoy that though, go and watch the
preceding series'. Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis were wonderful.


#149 of 252 by papa on Mon Mar 2 03:06:31 2020:

ISB Freeman Dyson, great man and genius of Physics passed away on Feb. 28,
2020. R.I.P.


#150 of 252 by tod on Mon Mar 2 18:24:32 2020:

His work with Yandex was pretty intriguing


#151 of 252 by papa on Tue Mar 10 02:09:35 2020:

ISB Max von Sydow, great Swedish movie star of The Seventh Seal, The Exorcist,
Flash Gordon, and many more roles, passed away on March 8, aged 90. R.I.P.


#152 of 252 by kentn on Fri Mar 13 02:33:45 2020:

RIP Max.


#153 of 252 by walkman on Fri Mar 13 21:43:47 2020:

I'm not sad but I do have the feeling of dread.
The financial markets melting. Restaurants, schools, stores,
manufacturing plants, public venues, etc. closing. I don't know who to
trust with the info on COVID-19. Is it the end of the world? A nothing
burger? The same people fear mongering went from one extreme to another.
Now my kid is out of school for a while. Very likely the numbers will be
higher when the kids are supposed to go back - probably won't see the
classroom again until Fall. Was told not to return to work until the
foreseeable future. Can work from home. Many are excited. I have dread.
Been hearing the COVID-19 is a bioengineered chimera using AIDS which is
why people are getting it again and again. You don't get rid of it. Who
the F knows though either way. Also hearing that basically everyone will
get it. Just a matter of time. Also trying to rip a Pavement CD and
track 8 won't rip. The Fing humanity. Pizza might help me just for a
hour. Toilet paper and purell will save us all. Idiots blaming Trump and
the 1%. Chinese blaming America now. Americans bombing Iranian targets
in the confusion. Secret stock trading by algorithms pump and dump while
we sleep. Aliens too grossed out to exsanguinate the cattle.   


#154 of 252 by papa on Fri Mar 13 23:59:05 2020:

resp:153
Thank you for sharing. ;) I enjoy your perspective.


#155 of 252 by tod on Sun Mar 15 04:12:45 2020:

I'm disappointed in the hype.
The uncivil response to the hype perhaps.
People going overboard at the grocery store on ridiculous choices.
Every business sending an email about how serious they take COVID-19 blah 
blah.  Everyone wants to get in on how serious they are.
Shelter in place.  My cousin called me approx 15 years ago.  He worked
for Tom Ridge.  Remember when everyone was supposed to get duct tape and
barricade themselves indoors to avoid airborne germ warfare?
Or maybe it was a dirty bomb attack.  Or asbestos.  Or Jehovah Witnesses.
Toilet paper...Friedrich Weyerhaeuser must be break dancing in his
grave at this.  up 17% on Friday.  
At my work place people started to get crazy.  They all wanted to 
telecommute so some started to rip VOIP phones out of the wall.  
These are POE voip phones that only work on our MPLS.  It's not like
anyone has POE routers and a VPN into our LAN from their house.
smh


#156 of 252 by kentn on Sun Mar 15 13:44:55 2020:

Around here the shelves at the grocery stores are mostly bare.  People
line up before 6 a.m. to get whatever has been restocked when they open.
Items are gone before noon.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  Very sad.


#157 of 252 by kentn on Sat Mar 21 17:38:44 2020:

IBB, this is getting serious.  The PM of the UK has closed the pubs.


#158 of 252 by papa on Sun Mar 22 14:04:38 2020:

resp:157 Madder and madder.


#159 of 252 by tod on Mon Mar 23 00:47:25 2020:

Stater Bros grocer delivered the wrong type of air popcorn..they brought
me jiffy pop tins.  It's double the admount I ordered so not so
sad..but still
It puts a damper on my Malibu discomfort


#160 of 252 by walkman on Mon Mar 23 11:37:28 2020:

My wife kept going shopping. Twice a day at least. I told her again and 
again she might be bringing the virus home. I nagged her so much about 
it that she stopped.
Add nagging to social distancing, hand washing and self-quarantining.


#161 of 252 by lar on Mon Mar 23 12:27:32 2020:

Mr Wipple "please don't squeeze the charmin"


#162 of 252 by walkman on Mon Mar 23 13:17:12 2020:

Choosy mothers choose Jif.
Kid tested mother approved.

You know Mr Wipple got nasty with that TP.
They didn't call him Wipple for nothing.


#163 of 252 by tod on Mon Mar 23 20:48:29 2020:

re #160
Those little "cheats" defeat the purpose of self quarantine.  
I hear all the time from pharmacists how almost half of the folks 
are getting infected needlessly.


#164 of 252 by lar on Tue Mar 24 01:58:52 2020:

herd immunity


#165 of 252 by tod on Tue Mar 24 03:56:10 2020:

My sons are constantly coming up with reasons they need to "go somewhere".
NO NO NO


#166 of 252 by kentn on Wed Mar 25 17:27:53 2020:

IBB spectrum e-mail is messed up today.  They have a monopoly in my area,
so it's not like I can get another ISP easily.


#167 of 252 by kentn on Tue Mar 31 22:56:51 2020:

It seems I can reboot and get e-mail working again.  But really, this
used to work for months and months before I need to reboot for any reason.
And a day or so later, it'll start giving errors about spamhaus (for an IP
address that I don't have).  It's a joke.
 
Anyway, IBB, my boss must have a brother called Lumburgh.  This just
keeps happening.  Gotta get those TPS reports in on time. Or something.
They really need to communicate better about things.


#168 of 252 by tod on Wed Apr 1 02:57:58 2020:

Is email on a linux box?


#169 of 252 by kentn on Thu Apr 2 02:52:26 2020:

On a Win 10 computer.  My iphone gives the same warning sometimes, as does
my ipad.  I have not had many issues with a Win 7 computer but I don't send
that much e-mail from it.  I think it's the ISP's problem.


#170 of 252 by papa on Tue Apr 14 01:02:57 2020:

ISB John Conway, mathematician and inventor of the cellular automaton
Game of Life, died of Wuhan flu on April 11. R.I.P.

https://xkcd.com/2293/


#171 of 252 by tod on Tue Apr 14 01:34:08 2020:

RIP John COnway


#172 of 252 by kentn on Thu Apr 16 02:46:52 2020:

IBB because our 2019 raises are held up until July 2020.  I'll 
likely be gone before I get my raise.  



#173 of 252 by papa on Fri Apr 17 04:00:21 2020:

resp:172
IBB?
"I'm blue because"?
"I'm bitching because"?
"I'm bad because"?
...


#174 of 252 by walkman on Fri Apr 17 16:40:56 2020:

This feels like the plot line for a bad porn film.


#175 of 252 by tod on Fri Apr 17 20:33:07 2020:

This item is a bad porn film


#176 of 252 by kentn on Sat Apr 18 03:41:51 2020:

I'm Bummed Because...


#177 of 252 by commodorejohn on Tue Apr 21 04:50:44 2020:

Less "sad" than "frustrating," but user henced's account is being used to push
coronavirus spam to various newsgroups - hope they're reading this and can
log in and change their password.


#178 of 252 by papa on Thu May 14 07:16:52 2020:

resp:175
Very bad.


#179 of 252 by kentn on Tue May 26 02:43:37 2020:

Let's all pay tribute to Jimmy Cobb, a legendary jazz drummer who died on the
24th.  Very sad. RIP.
 
I'm also sad that soon I'll likely lose my job due to no work for me anymore.
I hope I can hang in there for another year, but it's unlikely.


#180 of 252 by tod on Tue May 26 13:55:21 2020:

re #179
Hope your job weathers through this.
Any chance you can do telecommute work?


#181 of 252 by kentn on Tue May 26 16:55:46 2020:

Thanks.  I work from home currently, so yes, I can telecommute.  Of course
being a manger now for 3 years, no one thinks I can program in SAS any more.
So, we'll see.


#182 of 252 by papa on Wed May 27 00:06:43 2020:

resp:179 Good luck with your job.


#183 of 252 by kentn on Thu May 28 02:44:33 2020:

Thanks!  Looks like I might move to another project soon if I'm lucky.  


#184 of 252 by walkman on Fri May 29 23:20:42 2020:

I'm definitely working 2x harder (at minimum) and feel more "under the
thumb" while working from home. 



#185 of 252 by kentn on Sat May 30 02:50:58 2020:

One problem is your work is just a few steps away at any time.  It's
easy to work too many hours.  


#186 of 252 by tod on Sat May 30 16:32:42 2020:

The "work from home" scenario has made it so I'm pulling more loose ends
together where people have decided rules need not apply.  This includes
'showing up' for online meetings or ensuring compliance.


#187 of 252 by walkman on Sat May 30 21:44:19 2020:

When the recent project was due, I was told I also had to cover someone
else because "their keyboard broke." 

I said, "who doesn't have like 10+ keyboards in their house? Who would
be classless and shameless enough to make this excuse rather than go to
the nearest Walgreen and get a usb keyboard?"

I am not a team player apparently.
Through my 25+ years experience I have seen this pathetic stuff again
and again and mysteriously I keep have to be the one who lifts double.
"My computer broke" a day before deadline is a trusty classic. Yet, if I
pulled this I would be called out for it asap.

"So and so got moved to another project, so we are asking you to pick up
their work. It's temporary"

Me: "When is it due?"

"Friday"


#188 of 252 by kentn on Sat May 30 21:46:11 2020:

Yikes.  Where I work they schedule meetings over the lunch time.  Given
a global business, I guess that's inevitable.  They like to schedule
long meetings or meetings back to back and not allow a break.  I had my
boss ask me to check e-mail while on vacation.  I thought that was a bit
overboard.  As for people not following the rules, that's not right,
depending on the rules.  I work in a regulated industry so you need to
follow the rules, but I've seen people take shortcuts.  Good luck.


#189 of 252 by papa on Sun May 31 08:00:14 2020:

Shhh. You guys will make me start to think that Japanese corporate bureaucracy
is not so bad.


#190 of 252 by walkman on Sun May 31 11:59:24 2020:

#189
I worked for Hitachi for 3 years. Maybe a week into my employment, I was
dressed down over the phone on my way home from work by a senior
manager. Why? I replied to the email of one of the Japanese execs.
That's the first no-no. You don't speak to a god. You go around him and
talk to only your direct manager. Second issue. I didn't address him
properly. I simply wrote something like, "Good morning ______". I didn't
know the rules of mrgod-san. 

Well, I said I only lasted 3 years. I couldn't take it. It was hell for
me. We live in America. There were things that bothered me constantly
and they expected 100% dedication to the job. The work day never ended.
During the "great recession" I just did what I had to do. What can I
say. 


#191 of 252 by papa on Mon Jun 1 01:09:03 2020:

resp:190 

Definitely a no-no, but I'm a little surprised they wouldn't cut Americans
working in America a little more slack. I have often benefited from the
gaijin-can't-possibly-understand-the-subtleties-of-Japanese-society syndrome.


#192 of 252 by tod on Mon Jun 1 04:04:51 2020:

I've found most Japanese folks are super awesome - except in manufacturing
LOL

Speaking of sad and foreign affairs, I was somewhat insensed by the 
exceptionalis displayed by Ted Cruz and some other politicos upon the 
Crew Dragon's arrival to ISS.  They were patting themselves on the
back very hard and leaving the Cosmonauts out of the conversation.
The whole point of space exploration should be for mankind.  However,
the whole vibe was pointed at capitalist intent.  I wonder if that's
how the Dutch felt when the Brits rolled up on the Atlantic shores.


#193 of 252 by papa on Mon Jun 1 12:56:46 2020:

resp:192

It was understandably a big event for the US since we'd had no human 
launch capability for nine years, but we should be grateful and gracious 
to the nation that kept us in space during that time.


#194 of 252 by tod on Mon Jun 1 13:44:54 2020:

The first man in space was Yuri Gagarin.  He was 5'2.  He got started
as a volunteer flight cadet while studying tractors at a technical
school.  He was an honors grad in moldmaking and foundry work.
He was almost kicked out of flight school until the instructor
let him sit on extra seat cushions so he could see over the dashboard.
His office in Star City is a shrine and all Cosmonauts pee on the tires
of the vehicle which drives them to the launch pad - it's a nod to
something Yuri did which he learned working on the banks of the
Volga River.  A great stress relief and moment of levity.
They crazy antics the Cosmonauts have endured to keep their space program
going is pretty well documented - cereal commercials and tire ad
banners from video in space.  They always deserve a nod as partners
of the ISS and science advocates.


#195 of 252 by papa on Mon Jun 1 13:51:43 2020:

resp:192
resp:194

Ted Cruz is about 5'2", isn't he? ;)


#196 of 252 by tod on Tue Jun 2 15:08:04 2020:

re #195
There's 2 open seats..just sayin ;)

McKinley was one of the shortest Presidents
President Wilson gave Mt Denali the name Mount KcKinley in 1917.
Then President Obama changed it back to Denali in 2015.
I guess getting a mountain named after him post assassination was SHORT LIVED.


#197 of 252 by ball on Tue Jun 9 04:40:54 2020:

    I'm sad because I can't find a job.  I was laid off at
the beginning of the year and had an interview lined up when
the lockdown happened and everything was cancelled.  Ideally
I'd like something local but there is no technical work here
and very little within driving distance. It might be a shame
to throw my computer networking degree away and re-train but
it's just not working for me. I'm ready to try something new
but I'm really not sure what else to do. :-(


#198 of 252 by walkman on Tue Jun 9 12:18:43 2020:

#197 I faced something very similar a couple times in my career. The
first time I had the mentality of "just wait, things will pick up" with
the romantic notion that I wanted to stay local.

What ended up happening: I was out of my field for 2 years (this was
immediately after 911) because of hiring freezes. I ended up working
menial jobs. When things finally did pick up, i had no leverage and
ended up taking a massive pay cut. I was bitter and resentful.

What I learned: The next time the economy took a dump (great recession)
I left Michigan and went where the work was. When I finally returned to
Michigan I had an amazing resume and my leverage was immensely higher.
Traveling and taking on riskier assignments out of state looks amazing
on your resume and you obtain new skills.

That's my two cents. I think this lesson applies to all tech careers. I
work in engineering but I'm sure this is relevant to computer techs,
accounts, marketing, etc.


#199 of 252 by tod on Tue Jun 9 13:38:04 2020:

I'm with walkman on this.  You have to go where the jobs are.
I left Michigan in the late 80's for the military. I came back in the 90's
to Flint, MI which was horrible.  Ann Arbor had jobs - I moved there.
Detroit had better jobs so I commuted there.  Then Y2k and Dot Com bust
happened and Detroit dried up.  I moved to Seattle and did well for
a year then 9/11 happened and Boeing, etc had massive layoffs.  I took
a job in government.  Then there were great jobs in Orange County, CA
and I moved down here.  Now I'm part of a NJ company with the telecommute
option working out well thanks to the extensive career/skill background.
You have to chase the jobs.  Think of the mass emigration into the USA in
the early 1900's.  Those folks were trying to survive by going to the jobs.
I had alot of naysayers when I would move to take a job - but it worked
out and I stayed employed.  If I'd stayed in the job I had in Detroit
while things died down then I would have been downgraded several rungs
and overworked for less income.  Work/Life balance is extremely important.

If I were younger, I'd be eyeballing Austin Texas - it seems many of
the tech companies in California are relocating there.

Good luck on your search.


#200 of 252 by ball on Wed Jun 10 05:20:09 2020:

Re. 199: Relocation isn't an option, sadly.  I'll have to
widen my scope to include some of Cook county, which means a
hellish commute.


#201 of 252 by tod on Thu Jun 18 01:36:54 2020:

UFO
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13465851


#202 of 252 by papa on Thu Jun 18 21:12:29 2020:

resp:201
"Balloon-like" is really milking it.


#203 of 252 by tod on Thu Jun 18 22:29:25 2020:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grGrDirztI0&feature=emb_logo
LOKI


#204 of 252 by kentn on Fri Jun 19 00:33:18 2020:

I'm sad because all the programmers that report to me get quad-core
laptops 2 versions ahead of mine, while I get a dual-core machine that
slows me down and causes lost work.  I'm supposed to ask my manager for
an upgrade, yet my programmers got their laptops when they hired on and
never had to ask anyone.  Bleah.

Reminds me of the time when I asked an employer for a larger monitor
(I had a little 13" CRT at the time).  The admin assistants got 24"
monitors.  I was told I didn't stare at the screen all day like the
admin assts. therefore I didn't need one.  Hmmm...


#205 of 252 by walkman on Fri Jun 19 02:25:44 2020:

#203 smart girls - that was really neat


#206 of 252 by tod on Sat Jun 20 14:57:32 2020:

re #205
Too young to be intimidated by limiting ideas
Would be interesting what outerspace looks like from those elevations


#207 of 252 by kentn on Tue Jun 30 13:25:00 2020:

I'm sad because we are endlessly debating calling '<' and '>'
"special characters" that can't be in data set variable labels (or
not). Apparently 'lt' and 'gt' are clearer (but potentially make
the labels too long).  We've always used '<' and '>' (plain ASCII
characters) in labels and never had this issue before.


#208 of 252 by papa on Tue Jun 30 23:39:01 2020:

resp:207
Sad indeed. Has something about the system changed to drive this
reclassification?


#209 of 252 by papa on Wed Jul 1 02:03:26 2020:

ISB Carl Reiner, comedian, actor, screenwriter, etc. known for The Dick Van
Dyke Show, Your Show of Shows, and many others, passed away at age 98 on June
29, 2020. R.I.P.


#210 of 252 by kentn on Fri Jul 3 17:03:37 2020:

re 208:  the thing that changed is we have a different team on the client side
and since they've gone through so many layoffs and re-hires since I worked
there, very few people understand how things work anymore.  The system hasn't
changed that much.  They were also worried that XML couldn't handle '>' and '<'
because they are part of tags.  


#211 of 252 by walkman on Fri Jul 10 16:51:15 2020:

Human beings are STILL sold as slaves in Libya &#127473;&#127486;.
I'm sad that Obama put American resources toward Arab Spring and the 
Muslim Brotherhood.

I'm also sad that Nike and Apple use slave labor in China.
The good news is that so many government pensions benefit from their 
rising stock prices.

My dead grandpa already filled out his mail in ballot.


#212 of 252 by tod on Sat Jul 11 18:16:04 2020:

Nixon vs JFK
Chicago carries
Not for nothing but I worked in county gov and saw how DNC pushed
the DNC controlled municipalities to move toward mail-in.
And yea...I also saw how County Ethics and County Elections depts buried
the news that they found shelves full of uncounted ballots and still
bury the news.  It's a machine and it's real.


#213 of 252 by walkman on Sun Jul 12 18:46:23 2020:

1. Trump wins but the DNC quickly contests the results.
2. Mail-in ballots are said to be counted.
3. It turns out Trump didn't really win (surprise!).
4. Trump refuses to leave and calls the mail-in ballots bogus.
5. The Democrat House calls on the military to remove Trump and for
anyone who helps him to be arrested.

This scenario has been written about for over a year in the mainstream
press. They have been conditioning people for this outcome. 

The Obamas aren't campaigning for Biden.
They are campaigning for mail-in ballots.
Think about it. Michigan already sent us ours. We promptly ripped them
in half and threw them away. If they close the polling stations "due to
covid" there will be RIOTS.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/13/michelle-obama-vote-by-ma
il-push



#214 of 252 by papa on Mon Jul 13 02:41:40 2020:

resp:213

Possible, but I feel no confidence predicting step 6.

I have voted by meil-in ballot for thirty years, but I feel bad thinking that
it's even possible a major political party might stoop to abusing the voting
process for political gain. But here we are, Boss Tweed.


#215 of 252 by tod on Mon Jul 13 03:55:21 2020:

re #214
Now if we can get some cartoons in Harper's maybe we can get Boss Tweed
exposed.  That is if things aren't "burned down" or "defunded"


#216 of 252 by kentn on Fri Aug 21 01:12:55 2020:

I'm sad because although my boss strives to be transparent all that is
translating to is "I'll tell you when you are no longer needed at this
company."  Looks like I have a couple more months of work before I find
out what the real plan is.


#217 of 252 by walkman on Fri Sep 11 01:09:24 2020:

I'm sad because Grady on Sanford and Son was only 41 in the first 
season.
He looked more like 60 or 70 at the time.



#218 of 252 by papa on Fri Sep 11 13:26:47 2020:

ISB Diana Rigg passed away from cancer yesterday at age 82.


#219 of 252 by tod on Fri Sep 11 14:08:32 2020:

IBB Never Forget means forget anything in the past few years which resembles
Hezbollah jumping for joy on September 11


#220 of 252 by walkman on Mon Oct 5 16:52:30 2020:

I'm sad because now Batman has *3* Jokers. 

*sigh*


#221 of 252 by papa on Wed Oct 7 01:34:58 2020:

ISB Eddie Van Halen passed away from cancer at age 65 on October 6.
R.I.P. -- Rock In Peace


#222 of 252 by walkman on Wed Oct 7 02:15:21 2020:

HORRIBLE NEWS


#223 of 252 by kentn on Wed Oct 7 03:11:40 2020:

Terrible news. 


#224 of 252 by tod on Wed Oct 7 04:25:39 2020:

11 months ago Bart Walsh died.  He was the guitarist for the VH cover
band out here in Los Angeles and eventually he toured with David lee Roth.
Both of those guitarists had serious health issues.
It's tragic.


#225 of 252 by kentn on Tue Oct 13 16:33:36 2020:

Still at this place (working from home). Latest project is going badly
due to too many changes for things that should have been reviewed and
fixed weeks ago.  And the closer we get to delivery day the more changes
there are.  


#226 of 252 by tod on Wed Oct 14 18:26:19 2020:

I've discovered that putting an orange filter over my LED office lamp helps
my brain wake me up with fake sunlight.  Flourescent bulbs or dimly
lit spaces have the opposite effect.


#227 of 252 by papa on Wed Oct 14 23:44:03 2020:

resp:226
And that makes you sad because ...?


#228 of 252 by tod on Thu Oct 15 18:41:54 2020:

re #226
Flourescent bulbs and dimly lit spaces make me sad.
I don't want to leave that out there without shining a light on the solution


#229 of 252 by papa on Fri Oct 16 01:59:33 2020:

resp:228 I see what you did there!


#230 of 252 by walkman on Sat Oct 17 21:16:02 2020:

Just like Bruce Springsteen, he was Blinded By The Light.

I'm not sad at all. In fact, I feel blessed, even when my job sucks.
I'm working and many others are not.
Life is challenging and nothing good comes without a challenge.
Challenges help us grow.
Challenges, when met with solutions keep us in good favor with out 
employers. 
Bitching is useless. 
Bitching is for bitches. 


#231 of 252 by kentn on Sat Oct 24 01:45:44 2020:

I'm sad because Spencer Davis is demised.  RIP Spencer Davis.


#232 of 252 by papa on Sat Oct 31 22:44:59 2020:

ISB actor Sean Connery passed away on October 31. He was 90.


#233 of 252 by papa on Tue Dec 8 06:39:42 2020:

ISB Chuck Yeager, first man to fly faster than the speed of sound passed away
on December 7 at age 97. R.I.P. Fly high!


#234 of 252 by kentn on Thu Dec 31 01:51:02 2020:

ISB Alto Reed, sax player in the Silver Bullet Band, passed away today,
aged 72.


#235 of 252 by papa on Thu Dec 31 02:23:49 2020:

resp:234 He had a great name for a sax player. R.I.P.


#236 of 252 by papa on Thu Dec 31 02:50:33 2020:

resp:234 Oh, he did the sax solo in Turn the Page! That was awesome.

Not to be confused with the similar and also awesome sax solo in Gerry
Rafferty's "Baker Street" played by Raphael Ravenscroft.


#237 of 252 by tod on Fri Jan 1 15:30:51 2021:

Alto was also in the Blues Brothers


#238 of 252 by kentn on Sat Jan 9 01:01:23 2021:

Retired LA Dodgers Manager Tommy Lasorda bought the farm.  He was
93. R.I.P.


#239 of 252 by tod on Wed Feb 10 13:56:52 2021:

LAsorda


#240 of 252 by kentn on Wed Jul 28 23:32:43 2021:

Well, darn, Dusty Hill, bassist for ZZ Top died at age 72.


#241 of 252 by ball on Sat Sep 25 12:47:19 2021:

    I'm sad because NetBSD/amd64 no longer supports my
ancient (rescued from the scrap shelf several times and
pressed back into service) dual-core Atom 330 board (Intel
D945GLF2).  I think they have moved the installation image
to UEFI/GPT.

    As a possible replacement, there's the Chaco Canyon NUC,
which has a dual-core Celeron N3350, 4GB RAM (soldered) and
an M.2 SSD. They seem to be $350..$400 new though and that's
money I could spend on a Detroit Bikes Sparrow. :-)


#242 of 252 by papa on Sat Sep 25 23:13:13 2021:

resp:241 I think your Atom board has been and will continue to run on your
TLC rather than support from NetBSD. :)


#243 of 252 by walkman on Mon Sep 27 00:07:42 2021:

#241 Why not try 32-bit version of Ubuntu or Debian? If you are ready to
 retire it, there's nothing to lose. 

If you are looking for a good low-cost machine with a small footprint, 
you might also want to look into running NetBSD on an older Mac Mini. 
They are excellent. I have a few of them around the house serving 
different purposes. One runs Ubuntu Server and rarely needs any 
maintenance, and the other two just run the Ubuntu Desktop but sometimes
 I boot Tails with USB. I do get the attraction to BSD. I'm sure you
could  run that on the intel Mac Mini too. 


#244 of 252 by ball on Sat Oct 2 02:09:46 2021:

Re. #243: They're 64-bit boards that used to happily run
   NetBSD/amd64.  They can run Linux but that's not what I'm
   looking for.  I'll find something.


#245 of 252 by papa on Mon Oct 4 03:30:54 2021:

ISB the old crackpots on Backtalk are probably right. :(


#246 of 252 by walkman on Fri Dec 3 16:30:39 2021:

"Let them eat cake."

This is the state of journalism:

Why inflation can actually be good for everyday Americans and bad for 
rich people
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/01/economy/inflation-good-bad-winners-
losers/index.html

They declare that anything other than their bold-face lies and 
manipulation is "misinformation" while also declaring that the working 
poor benefit from inflation. It's more insidious than dangerous as we 
all fall further into the void.

Have you tried communicating with people in the real world?
For most, reality is defined by propaganda outfits like CNN.
They will literally pull up a phone and "fact-check" you by using Snopes
 when they hear something they don't like. 

In the meantime, mainstream news, television and music is literally 
cancer. Promoting pedophilia, suicide, class division, violence, theft 
and dystopia and calling it entertainment. "This is your new reality."


#247 of 252 by tod on Sat Dec 4 20:27:36 2021:

It's a jimmy savile world out there


#248 of 252 by walkman on Sat Nov 19 03:43:12 2022:

Aw rats.

R.I.P. Robert Clary aka Corporal LeBeau, real life Holocaust survivor.

96 is a great run.


#249 of 252 by tod on Tue Nov 22 19:54:52 2022:

We should all live that long.  Very nice, imo.


#250 of 252 by papa on Tue Nov 22 23:51:47 2022:

R.I.P. Frederick Phillips Brooks Jr., architect of IBM's OS/360 and author
of "The Mythical Man-Month". - Nov. 17, 2022.

I thought he had passed away decades ago. It would have been possible for us
to cross paths during my stint in NC 1988-1991.


#251 of 252 by tod on Wed Nov 23 04:23:18 2022:

I was in NC 1990-1992.  I also enjoyed IBM 360 (and Magnuson) a million
years ago.  Frank Farmer FTW.


#252 of 252 by papa on Wed Nov 23 22:18:17 2022:

That makes two near-misses with greatness during my NC sojourn. ;)


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