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Grex Thezone Item 60: Rozwell, New Mexico. What really happened there in the 1940's?
Entered by rrodgrs on Sat May 31 15:36:03 UTC 1997:

Was this a real crash landing of a ufo and it's aliens? 
Carl Sagan, noted scientist beleives that there is other forms of 
intellegent life in the universe. 
Can we believe the US government that the ufo bluebook is unsubstantial?
Of the many sightings of ufo phenomenon over the years, why is there no
concrete proof or evidence of extraterrestial visitations other than
hearsay?
Could all of this be another "big brother" government coverup?

Would appreciate any feedback or comments to enlighten us all.

U may e-mail me at rrodgers@metro.mccneb.edu or call or write...

Ramon Rodgers
603 Maple Street
Henderson, Iowa 51541-0119
Phone:(712)825-3149

15 responses total.

#1 of 15 by orinoco on Sun Jun 1 18:20:12 1997:

Greetings, Ramon.  Welcome to Thezone, and to grex!

Most people here know my take on this sort of thing, which is that
extraterrestrial life does exist, that it would be alien enough that if we
saw it we might not even recognize it as life, and that the Roswell thing is
a hoax....nice to have someone on the other side of that last, though.

Tell me, what real evidence is there that something did happen at Roswell,
other than widespread rumors?  I'm curious to know what's behind this.

#2 of 15 by snafu on Mon Jun 16 00:50:01 1997:

Very true, but, a suggestion: don't go posting your address & phone number
just anywhere... There are people, (myself included, I must admit) who
occasionally get REAL bored and go calling the random numbers that they've
picked up places, like here...

#3 of 15 by orinoco on Mon Jun 16 15:05:39 1997:

now now, truffle, be nice :) ...

#4 of 15 by snafu on Wed Jun 18 13:36:14 1997:

And it's spellled roswell.... but tat's ok... spelling doesn't count against
you....

#5 of 15 by thetick on Fri Jun 27 15:21:04 1997:

Well, if nothing did happen at Roswell, why has the gov't changed their story
so many times?  As a matter of fact, they just changed it AGAIn the other day!
So every, ROSWELL did not happen in 1947..oh no..so many mistakes, even the
newspapers around the world made the mistake that it wsa really 1957!  What
a bunch of bullsh*t.  So if all the papers were wrong then, does that mean
today is not really 1997 but 2007?  And they weren't aliens that so many
witnesses saw but crash test dummies.  Note that CTDs didn't come out until
1953, which is probably the reason that the date was changed to 1957.  And
all of this was part of Project Mogul now.  How many people are going to
believe this story?  I mean, 10 years is a long time and people don't mistake
things like this for 50 years.  I don't think many people are taking this
new Air Force report seriously.

#6 of 15 by thetick on Fri Jun 27 15:51:31 1997:

WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- The Air Force released its second report June 24 on what
has become known as the "Roswell Incident." This report, "The Roswell Report:
Case Closed," together with the one issued in September 1994, "The Roswell
Report: Fact Versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert," explains and
demystifies events that occurred in New Mexico nearly 50 years ago. 

During the 1940s and 1950s, the Air Force engaged in extensive high-altitude
balloon experimentation. Some of the experiments involved using the balloons
to carry and eject anthropomorphic dummies equipped with parachutes in order
to learn how best to return pilots or astronauts to earth if they had to eject
from high altitudes. 

These experiments, as well as others described and explained in the report,
including the 1947 crash of a balloon, correspond to many of the occurrences
observed by local residents and later characterized as the "Roswell Incident."


This latest report is noteworthy for the extensive background it provides on
the scope of the Air Force activities in the vicinity of Roswell, N.M.,
beginning in the mid-1940s and extending through the early 1960s. 

"This is singularly the most exhaustive release of information on this
subject," said Secretary of the Air Force Sheila Widnall. "In 1994, we made
all records on this subject publicly available. This additional information
will enlighten people about pioneer research and the challenging and often
heroic work of Air Force personnel during those early years." 

The 230-page report can be obtained through Government Printing Office World
Wide Web site, the http://www.access.gpo.gov/index.html, or by calling
(202) 512-1800. 

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Roswell: Case Closed

In July 1994, the Office of the Secretary of the Air Force concluded an
exhaustive search for records in response to a General Accounting Office (GAO)
inquiry of an event popularly known as the "Roswell Incident." The focus of
the GAO probe, initiated at the request of a member of Congress, was to
determine if the U.S. Air Force, or any other U.S. government agency,
possessed information on the alleged crash and recovery of an extraterrestrial
vehicle and its alien occupants near Roswell, N.M. in July 1947.

The 1994 Air Force report concluded that the predecessor to the U.S. Air
Force, the U.S. Army Air Forces, recovered debris from an Army Air Forces
balloon-borne research project code named MOGUL. Records located describing
research carried out under the MOGUL project, most of which were never
classified (and publicly available) were collected, provided to GAO, and
published in one volume for ease of access for the general public.



This report discusses the results of this exhaustive research and identifies
the likely sources of the claims of "alien bodies" at Roswell. Contrary to
allegations, many of the accounts appear to be descriptions of unclassified
and widely publicized Air Force scientific achievements. Other descriptions
of "bodies" appear to be actual incidents in which Air Force members were
killed or injured in the line of duty.


The conclusions are:


Air Force activities which occurred over a period of many years have been
consolidated and are now represented to have occurred in two or three days
in July 1947.


"Aliens" observed in the New Mexico desert were actually anthropomorphic test
dummies that were carried aloft by U.S. Air Force high altitude balloons for
scientific research.


The "unusual" military activities in the New Mexico desert were high altitude
research balloon launch and recovery operations. Reports of military units
that always seemed to arrive shortly after the crash of a flying saucer to
retrieve the saucer and "crew," were actually accurate descriptions of Air
Force personnel engaged in anthropomorphic dummy recovery operations.


Claims of "alien bodies" at the Roswell Army Air Field hospital were most
likely a combination of two separate incidents: 



1.) a 1956 KC-97 aircraft accident in which 11 Air Force members lost their
lives; and, 2.) a 1959 manned balloon mishap in which two Air Force pilots
were injured. 

This report is based on thoroughly documented research supported by official
records, technical reports, film footage, photographs, and interviews with
individuals who were involved in these events.

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i cannot agree with the conclusion, especially the part about the bodies.
Though I have never seen an alien, how likely is it that one would mistake
a human for an alien?  All I've ever seen are pictures of them having
big eyes, etc, but now this report kinda says that aliens look like
humans, IMO, because they were mistaken for aliens.  Really, if someone
is hurt in a crash you can still tell if the person is human or not, unless
their body was like left in a thousand bits and pieces.  With so many
differeent government reports over the years, one has to wonder that if this
crash didn't happen then why do they keep changing their story?  And if
it all along were just a few CTDs, then why was there a huge secret over it
for 50 years?  Why didn't they just say that 50 years ago when it happened
that it was just crash test dummies?  It's not like it would have created
worldwide panic or anything.  It just doesn't make any sense.

#7 of 15 by orinoco on Sun Jun 29 00:02:09 1997:

I would agree with you that it's incredibly unlikely that an alien would look
sufficiently humanoid to pass for an injured air force pilot.
The fact that the "aliens" reportedly seen at Roswell are invariably described
as large-eyed humans leads me to belive that they were not aliens at all: 
If they were, in fact, aliens, the chances are quite good that they would not
have even remotely resembled any Terran life form.

However, I do agree with you that the frequent changing of stories on the part
of the air force seems to indicate that something out of the ordinary occured
there.  

My guess would be that the "alien" story is a combination of various hoaxes,
mass hysteria, and perhaps some actual unusual occurence.  But, I would also
guess that the 'unusual occurrence' was just some secret military project,
rather than an alien crash.

#8 of 15 by snowth on Thu Jul 3 02:09:45 1997:

#9 of 15 by orinoco on Fri Jul 4 20:29:59 1997:

Succinct and to teh point--what mroe is there to say?

#10 of 15 by snafu on Fri Jul 4 22:10:44 1997:

Another idea floating out there is one of the more interesting: That it wasn't
aliens, or a US military project, but a modified japanese aircraft. It's a
well known fact in the military circles that the japenese were working on
semi-balloonlike un-manned firebombs, for the purpose of setting the forests
on the west coast on fire. The new theory is that it was one of these,
modified to carry a suicide pilot (or pilots) which crashed in roswell...
Could explain some physical differences, and they strange design ideas...
Other than that, who knows...

#11 of 15 by pterm36 on Sat Dec 16 02:39:57 2000:

to quote chris carter, 
frohike: so, wait, you're telling me that the same government that gave us
AMTRAK...
langley: not to mention the Susan B. Anthony dollar...
frohike: right... is behind some of the most complex coverups in the world?
i mean... tha-that's just CRAZY!!!
langley: [referring to byers] i mean HE works for the government!

#12 of 15 by sylvador on Thu Jan 11 01:31:04 2001:

I will send you info on the crash, just finished a report on it

#13 of 15 by godsfree on Tue May 27 21:44:45 2003:

One story i've heard is that the bodies in the craft(what ever you want to
call it) where human's that had been exposed to high radiation. and killed
and the remains of there bodies was used as dummies for tests.

#14 of 15 by goxer on Wed Aug 27 11:26:59 2003:

I think the Roswelll case is the strongest proof that we have.Why?I saw them
with my eyes.I know where the graves of the alliens are.I've seen them.None
of the other UFO cases are true but this is.

#15 of 15 by cmcgee on Thu Aug 28 00:38:35 2003:

Um, just when did you see them?

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