HYPNOSIS: is it possible? if so how and why do you think it works? have you
ever experienced it? what does it feel like? why can the hypnotist perform
these feets that are almost magical, I'd say that's paranormal, what are your
thoughts on the subject?

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It could be paranormal, but in MY humble opinion it's just odd. But it works

Not at all paranormal...just understanding how the human mind works and
explaiting that knowledge.

        "paranormal" is a catch-all word used incorrectly in
our society today.  Paranormal refers to those things which
have no ability to exist in our reality, but somehow find
a way to bugger in when least expected.  This refers to
ESP, Ghosts, the Loch Ness Monster, UFOs, etc.  However,
paranormal now applies mostly to ghosts, esp, hauntings, etc.

        Hypnosis isn't paranormal whatsoever.  It's a method
of inducing a relaxed state on a subject and then introducing
to that subject suggestions for behavior, or in some cases, 
memory recall and suppression.

        "Post-hypnotic suggestions" don't work.  Fantasy.
So are these "quit smoking now" tapes.  I've heard more people
complain that these tapes cause nightmares than anything else.

If anything, people can be hypnotized because they want to be
hypnotized...it's similar to faith-healing--if you WANT it to
work, and you belive it WILL work, then it might work.

Hypnotism allows for the defenses of the Conscious brain to be turned off.
When fully awake, your conscious mind delegates whether or not something is
true, or whether it will be said.  It's alomost a part of tact, but it can
also be the conscious mind's attempt to save your brain from what might hurt
it.  Repressed memories works here. Even though it is not neccesarily
dangerous, your conscious mind decides not to take chances with the
unfavorable.  TiIt covers it up, but it is still logged in your memory
(evrything is, recovering than info is another stroy)

        False memory syndrome is now a fact.  Shrinks have been
trying to use the abused-child routine to get their clients
to spend more money on therapy.  Lawyers can then get some bucks.
And so on.  Hypnosis is regarded as the only way to "get in touch" with
these so-called 'repressed' memories.  
        Since hypnosis has no scientific validity, it's pretty pointless.
Yes, you will be able to become hypnotized if you allow yourself
to do that.  It's like being sick.  If you want to heal, you will.
(Unless it's terminal, well then...)  If you want to stay sick,
you shall.  The mind is a powerful instrument.  

It is true that hypnotism may recover some repressed memories...in the hands 
of a good honest shrink.  Often, though, false memories come with the real ones

<Eldrich delves into his subconsious and pulls out a herring>

what exactly si faith healing?

kain kain kain...what are we going to do with you?

Let me tell you a little story.

A man begins to suffer from headaches.  He takes asprin, and at first it works,
but the headaches come back.  So one of the man's friends, a guy by the name
of Joe, tells him to eat a tuna-fish sandwich every day, and the headaches
will go away.  Now our friend with the headaches is Joe's biggest fan.  He is
convinced that, if Joe said the tuna-fish cure will work, the tuna-fish
cure *really will* work.
So he starts eating tuna, and, amazingly, the headaches go away.  Even though
there's no reason why eating tuna should help, it does.  Why?  Because he has
convinced himself that the headaches *WILL* stop, that they *HAVE* to stop,
and so his mind just ignores them.  

If you are interested in the powers of hypnosis... expand your interest
and explore the information provided in the Seth books.

oh okay

<Eldrich consiters making sub-titles for the uninlitened>
<Eldrich trys to spell and dies trying>

Hypnosis is certainly an odd thing.. If you have hypnosis done on you, and you
are any bit skeptical.. it's very likely that it will not work.. But if you
belive in it.. and belive it will help you.. it may just work.. I had it done
on me when i was younger.. like maybe 8 or 9 years old. At this age.. I didn't
really belive in it much.. I was anxious to get out of that stupid room and go
play in the snow or something.. it's probly a lot harder to hypnotise kids.. 
that's all i got for now.. bye.

Welcome to the weirdness that is thezone llan...

I'm weird too!

I don't doubt it....

actually I think it owuld be easier on a child because the don't think the
way we do they have more imagination and  they can believe in stuff, adaults
on the other hand don't really believe in magic or any such things and
therefore probly would think it wouldn't work and when you think hypnosis
won't work, it won't

not necessarily, but in general that may be true kain

you just don't know, Jon.

For the most part our subconcious will protect us from anything that might
do damage or that we are not ready for.  Perhaps something that happened in
the room where Jessica was going to be hypnotised caused her subcon to veto
the idea.  After all, Jessica did bring up that she really wasn't into the
whole thing which would suggest to me that whomever it was that attempted to
hypnotise her (or  maybe somebody else in the room) was pushing her to try
it. By the way.. was this a "professional" hypnotist?

Yea Dan, it was.. he's one of my dad's friends, whom I havn't seen since then,
because he lives in Florida.

listen, guys - i'm no professional, but i've an active interest in the
subject. here are certain points that i wish to share with you.
1 no one can hypnotise you against your will.  it follows that a weak
individual can be hypnotised easily.
2 the brain is more complex than our present knowledge can comprehend. 
Playing with its depth is like playing with a force that is beyond all the
power in the world.  We should make careful progress, yes.  but leaps and
strides might only do hard - and every life is precious.
3 yes, it is possible to cure psycho somatic ailments through the power of
suggestion.  it is commonly referred as self determination.  If you cant do
that by yourself, you'll probably need a shrink.  but no one can do what YOU
have to do. so there !
i've lots more but we'll take it one step at a time.  bye.

Interesting... forces beyond our control... Sorta like fission and fusion...
God (or whoever or whatever, don't kill me...) uses Fusion to make stars burn,
and here we men are tinkering with it as though it were a harmless erector
set, although we really don't understand it....

I read somewhere once that humans will never understand their own brains. 
The brains of lower life, perhaps, (you can put quote marks around lower, if
you insist) but never our own.  The evidence of this was that no system can
understand itself and still be itself.  Am i still making sense?

but of course not... we may pretend to, but we can't even use all of our
braine, much less understand it... (we only use about 10%)

snaf--keep in mind that that's 10% of brain cells used, not 10% of our
*potential* used.  Our appendixes don't do anything, but that doesn't mean
our innards aren't fuffilling their potential, just that their's a part of
them that doesn't serve any purpose.  Our appendixes couldn't do anything if
we wanted them to, and I have a feeling that much of that 90% is the same way.

not quite... it has been scientifically proven that we COULD use all of that 
gray matter... While we aren't using it it serves as back-up (i.e. something
goes poof, some un-used part takes over) However, we could use more than we
do... human beings just don't understand  themselves well enough... Sometime,
read "Stranger in a strange land" by  Robert A. Heinlein... That's not exactly
what I mean, but it's a good  demonstration of the fact that we COULD do more
with the mass up there...

I wouldn't really call a work of fiction to be a "demonstration of fact",
although Heinlein does (in a number of books) put emphasis on what "could be"
our potential.

Still, there's a lot of funny stuff going on in there.  Maybe all that
"unused" gray matter is really doing important work already?  Something to
do with dreams, or running the universe as a giant combined brain with all
other humans/animals, ???

true... I'm not saying "stranger" is a demonstration of absolute fact, but I 
believe that it demonstrates the CONCEPT of how we could be using more of 
our brains then we do already

I have to agree with scott on the books as demonstration of fact thing.
Also, i'd be interested to know how they can prove how much potential the
human brain has, if *nobody* uses all of it.

There is the theory that the unused bits of our brains are responsible for
psychich phenomenon.

Like I said, I'm not saying it proves anything... I just say that if people
speculated like Heinlein did in that book, we'd find something we COULD do 
with that unused section... And I'm not saying things like telekinesis and
telepathy are impossible... That could be what that section's for...

<eldrich sites the shadow (the movie).>

that's 'cites'.  
And snafu, you still haven't explained how they proved that all that unused
mass is  potential.  

Its amazing.  We all seem to possess the same physical structure - brain and
all. But read between the lines of this conf. Each has a thought process that
is unique and in some way trying to tie-up with the subject at hand.  This
generalisation itself should spell volumes about our capabilities.  We are
created without parameters.  If anyone were to have told the cave man that
he would one day set foot on the moon -- As someone rightly said : You look
into space to guage the unknown when you are a universe in itself.  I shudder
when I think of it objectively. Am I crowding this section with speaking
aloud ?

There is unused matter... Therefore it either has a use (telepathy, maybe
backup) or it can be used... I don't believe that all 90% of our unused brain
matter is back-up

snafu--dammit, you're missing the point.  Your appendix is matter, but it has
no use.  I'pm not saying that unused brain matter is "backup".  I'm saaying,
I don't know what it is, but your refusal to belive otherwise isn't going to
convince me that it's "potential" of any sort.

If it has no use, why is it of the exact same composition as the rest of the 
brain? the part that does have a use? The appendix doesn't have a use, but it
isn't of the exact same composition as the large intestine, say..
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