Hi folks!  Our illustrious and long-time fair witness, Robh, has gone away
from Grex conferencing.  He is responding to a controversy over giving
anonymous read-only access to people coming in over the web.  He is 
irreplaceable and his input will be sorely missed.  
        Since Chris Bartlett, our other previous fw, disappeared long ago when
his laptop committed suicide, that leaves Bruin, our newest fw.  This
conference more-or-less runs itself, and Bruin does a fine job, but in the
interest of having more than one semi-responsible body, I'm volunteering to
take on being a fw in this conference.  It is traditional on Grex for anyone
offering such service to start an item for the discussion of their appointment,
so this is it.  
        If you want more background on the conference, fair witnessing it, or
the occasion of Rob's resignation, go to items # 84, 85, and 106.  If you
want to see more about my participation in the conference, well, I guess I'm
in just about every item...:}

55 responses total.

Kami, I think you'd be great as a fw.  Thanks for offering to help.

I agree!  =)

Reading, willing and able to work with you, kami.

Sounds fantastic to me!

I hope this doesn't sound like butt-kissing. ;-)
You'd certainly make an excellent fairwitness, Kami.

My butt doesn't need to be kissed, Bjorn, and thanks for the positive
opinion. <g>

BTW, how do we remove Rob Henderson's name from the heading?

I'll ask Popcorn.  Also, there's now a conference for fw's which probably
has that question in it.  And "help" will probably also elicit that answer.

It's not all that hard to alter the login display of a conference - or the
logout for that matter.  It's the rf that can get interesting - learned a hard
lesson there when my conference was born.  But anyway I'm setting the drift
off.

I don't really think the conference needs 2 fw's.
It's just an ego trip for someone. But Kami
(among a lot of other people) would not do a bad job.

Jenna, the reason a conference ought to have two fair witnesses, is that
sometimes a person loses access unexpectedly- such as one of this conference's
origional fw's, and that would leave no one (except, I suppose, those with
root access, so it's a non-problem) to run it.  Then too, in some of the
other conferences I gather that there is a more active oversight such that
more than one opinion helps to keep things moderate.  You're right that this
is not one of those.  But please explain where you're getting the "ego trip"
comment from.  How so?
Also, who else would you propose as a second fw for this conference?

I think you'd be an excellent FW, Kami.  It never hurts to have a couple of
backups.  ;)

Ok, Backup! <g>
Thanks.
And how're you, anyway?

I don't think this conference moves enough for 2 fws.
There's plenty of conferences with only one FW that are fine.
THERE is hardly ever anything TO moderate here.
There are enough people here for mob scenes. This is
nmore like a coffee shop... quiet, same debates
between the same people all the time, quiet backround
wurr. If the quad doesn't NEED 2 FW's, making 2 people
fw (especially like this) is nothing more than giving them
a title and power that they don't need. Don't get me wrong,
I don't think it'll hurt anybody if we have 2, or if kami
is one of them, or even if kami was the ONLY one...
its just unnecessary. When one FW resigns, if they[re
the only fw, they usually either handle that before leaving
or just vanish and leave it open to the users  of the
conference to decide. THIS conversation is nothing more
than that decision of who should take over,exce[t that
we don't really NEED anyone to take over, because we already
have someone in charge.
This, though, is exactly the same conversation we'd be
having if robh had been the only fw. NO more hastle,
no less. You're asking for opinions, mine is that we
dopn't need a second FW.

        Two FWs can serve, though, to generate a good amount of conversation.

so can any too people. if we went sheerly on amount of
words generated, jazz... you and brighn would have to be
fw's by far.

        That's true, any interested participant can generate conversation.
As can any unusual or offensive statement made in a conference.  But a 
dedicated FW position can really help to give a person a reason to be
active, to maintain and care for the conference in a way that the casual
user quite often does not.  Semi-moderated conferencing works.

A single fw can be corrupted by their power, which I have learned from
experience.  This is why I hav a second fw in my conference, and have not
dared to kill items except for restart.

        So in your system, the purpose of the second FW is to kill the first
if they become corrupted? :)

I still think adding Kami as co-FW is a fine idea.  

*laugh (for 19) THAT would be an interesting system...
when they pick a 2nd fw, you KNOW you're in trouble... ;}
Like I said, I don't think it would hurt anything
and if I wasn't bopred silly, I don't think it would
merit this much conversation. Have 2 or don't...
*shrug* it doesn't really change the end result
much, in THIS conference as it has been the entire
time I've read it.

Judging by the header of the conference, it might be time to re-open this
discussion...

Yeah perhaps, after I finish draining the energy from Molly. ;)

Bjorn, maybe I'm in a crabby mood just now, but could you refrain from
drifting in this conference for a wee bit?  I mean, if you want to start an
item on the implied rules of magic in "Sailor Moon" here or in the Fantasy
conference, that would be cool, but random asides are just confusing.  Maybe
I'm being easily confused just now, I've got the cold my boys had last
weekend, sigh.

Yes.  Sure.

THanks.

what if random asiodes are all we have left anymore?

Then they belong in the "Welcome to synthesis" item, or in a drift item in
Agora.  Thus far, it doesn't seem to have been the case in this conference-
we have an interesting discussion going on pagans in recovery, an on-going
(if slow) discussion on the tarot and another on astrology, and enough
intelligent, articulate, interesting participants to keep any of the other
items going if we would only scroll up a few responses now and then to see
what's been said.  Why give up on it, over a temporary slow period?

OK, there's been no comment in this item for almost two weeks now.  So- shall
I re-volunteer to be FW?  Misti said she'd be willing?  Folks, do you want
one of us (Misti started the CF, after all),  both of us, someone else
entirely, or no one at all?  Squawk up, or in a couple of weeks I'll just talk
with Misti and Bruin and we'll sort it out between ourselves...

As a mostly lurker, I have no real opinion.

just stop talking about it and do it.

Calm down, Jenna.  No need to be irritable.

Everyone has a right to voice an opinion.  Without an invitation to do 
so, they won't.

(that wasn't being irrate, misti, which just shows what you know about me)
there have been 32 responses. Nobdoy has an opinion they haven't expressed.

I didn't claim to know anything about you Jenna.  I simply reacted to 
the way you expressed yourself.

If we be real quiet maybe this item will die -- unless anyone does have 
an opinion on who they'd like to see FW this conference.  In which case 
they're more than welcome to say so here or to send e-mail to Bruin, 
Kami, or me.

the item already died once.

I do it. For a year and a day. 

Sounds good to me!

I would welcome you as FW for much more than a year and a day, moonowl.

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