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Grex Sexuality Item 16: age, or WTF?
Entered by phenix on Fri Nov 9 20:50:05 UTC 2001:

why do men love younger women?
why is highschool or "barely legal" such a big label?
whazup with that?

46 responses total.



#1 of 46 by phenix on Fri Nov 9 20:56:42 2001:

my thoughts to this: 
note that i'm mostly pretty cynical at this point
1) they're young and stupid: no relationship experince + unrealistic
expectations = exploitible gf 2) relates to #1, they havn't had the guy who
belives in #1 whoelheartedly and therefore are not emotionaly or physically
scared 3) hey, let's face it, only young girls constantly pressured by society
can look like that. 4) remeber inexperinced? yha, swings the other way too, no
bad experinces, so more of an open mind 5) did i mention open minded? 6)
horribly craving of attention, so massive flirts anyway, that's my take what's
yours?


#2 of 46 by brighn on Fri Nov 9 21:59:36 2001:

Male humans are wired to seek out females most likely to have a long and
productive child-bearing.
Female humans are wired to seek out males most likely to be able to support
their offspring.

I believe that would be the sociological analysis.


#3 of 46 by i on Fri Nov 9 23:38:33 2001:

No, females are at least as interested in a male's genetic quality, since
they're investing sooo much in the kid(s) who've got half his genes.  So
a quickie with a successful (hopefully your kids will be too), handsome
(good immunity to the many disfiguring diseases common in most primitive
situation) male who's just passing through (forget the limited & somewhat
inbred gene pool of you little tribe) can be a really smart move.


#4 of 46 by senna on Mon Nov 12 03:20:22 2001:

Greg, have you been trolling at N'Sync concerts again?

In other news, I think there might be status issues involved.  


#5 of 46 by phenix on Mon Nov 12 18:07:00 2001:

n'sync? nah, brittney spears:)


#6 of 46 by vidar on Mon Nov 12 20:55:49 2001:

<runs away screaming in horror>


#7 of 46 by phenix on Mon Nov 12 21:24:07 2001:

huzah, we have found an icon so unholy it repells vidar


#8 of 46 by chaostic on Wed Nov 14 23:11:20 2001:

It's because socity is so closed minded that any change in
the "normal" is a act of war to them.
Kids having sex? Get them!!!
Smoking Weed? Get Them!!!
Same Sex Marragies? Get Them!!!
And the pattern will continue until people accept change.

P.S. Brittney Spears and All Boy Bands Should be shoot
        exicutioner Style!!!


#9 of 46 by vidar on Thu Nov 15 03:24:11 2001:

I find it strange that people are so resistant to change.  It's the one 
thing that's actually constant in existence.


#10 of 46 by lelande on Thu Nov 15 20:06:26 2001:

that was really profound. may i lick your asshole?

i don't disagree with the ethological points of view presented here (except
maybe to point out that it isn't in the best interest of a female to get
impregnated by a handsome drifter if she doesn't have a supportive family or
community to fall back on, and i bet dollars to donuts there's genetically
encoded support for that . . . to help explain why so many gals without
support get themselves knocked up by a drifter, i cite the basketball coach
from the novel version of 'the last picture show': "find 'em, fool 'em, fuck
'em, forget 'em."

now, as someone with a lot of experience fucking much younger girls, i believe
the phenomenon asked about in #0 often has a lot to do with fear and
apprehension on the male's part -- at the risk of being trivial. plenty of
different things can lead up to this fear/apprehension in a male's life; i'll
suggest not inarguably that it is a fear of revealing one's own emotions in
a situation where one doesn't feel a sense of control, as would be the case
for such a male in the presence of a peer or elder female -- or maybe it would
be better to generalize to females that he regards as equals, or superiors.

sometimes, however, it's just great fun to cum on a little girl's tits.


#11 of 46 by phenix on Thu Nov 15 20:44:36 2001:

little girl?
why do i get the distinct impression were not talking an SSC encounter here.


#12 of 46 by lelande on Thu Nov 15 20:47:42 2001:

what's SSC?


#13 of 46 by brighn on Thu Nov 15 22:16:35 2001:

*S*afe und
*S*ane und
*C*onsensual

Presumably it's the C that Greggers is doubtifying.


#14 of 46 by phenix on Thu Nov 15 23:54:29 2001:

ohh, yes, brighn is so keen


#15 of 46 by brighn on Fri Nov 16 05:24:10 2001:

aw, sweetie, I didn't think you'd noticed


#16 of 46 by i on Sat Nov 17 01:06:30 2001:

Re: #10
I'd say that human females have, for evolutionary purposes, virtually 
always had a support network when they've elected to have a quickie with
a passing stranger.  If her group is fairly inbred/isolated, then even a
risky & poorly supported pregnancy is "worth it" to the female who taps
into the unrelated genes. 


#17 of 46 by vidar on Sat Nov 17 21:51:20 2001:

Response # 9 was not in the least bit profound.


#18 of 46 by lelande on Sat Nov 17 23:35:35 2001:

16
i like the point you make.
but does it leave room for the possibility of a female seduced despite the
alarm of her 'instinct'?


#19 of 46 by i on Sun Nov 18 01:43:37 2001:

Re:  #18
I'm not sure what situation alarming to her instinct you're referring to.
Certainly many females pick Mr. Wrong's genes over Mr. Right's genes.  A 
few factors worth noting here:
 - Females aren't cloned from some perfect model with perfect sexual 
        preference instincts.  Every one is a unique (ignoring identical
        twins) genetic experiment with different instincts.  Sexual
        reproduction rolls the dice a *lot*, then relies on natural 
        selection to amplify the few really good die rolls.
 - Being too picky is, overall, not a trait that's selected for.  Having
        some so-so kids fathered by so-so males passes on ones genes.  Not
        having kids because ones standards for "Mr. Right" were too high
        does not pass on any genes. 
 - Sexual selection is a double 2-way genetic arms race.  Selective
        females means that males are being selected both for the ability
        to favorably impress females (and it's evolutionarily cheaper to
        fake being Mr. Right than to really be him) and for the ability to 
        select the right females to try to impress (failure at *any* 
        stage, from fertilizing her egg to live birth to survival of the 
        child to reproductive age is total genetic failure). 


#20 of 46 by lelande on Sun Nov 18 23:53:22 2001:

i see now. the mistake i was making was thinking that poor environmental
supports for pregnancy and child-raising would somewhat suppress the drive
to reproduce in the event of an outsider mate.


#21 of 46 by senna on Mon Nov 19 04:55:34 2001:

I would think that it's obvious.  People aren't rational, particularly not
about "reproductive drive."  That's why it's a drive.  


#22 of 46 by i on Mon Nov 19 06:03:52 2001:

A female who's seriously hungry gets more interested in food & eating (and
less interested in everything else, including sex).  A female who's starved
down to very low body fat becomes infertile.  Beyond that, i'm not aware of
of any don't-get-pregnant-when-prenatal-nutrition-seems-doubtful *drive* (an
intelligent choice is another matter).  There is a female drive to have kids
by a male with greater wealth/power (better able to provide for mother &
child); i'd guess that the interlock with the stranger drive (realizing that
his wealth/power are worthless, since he's only passing through) isn't even
remotely reliable. 


#23 of 46 by kewy on Sat Nov 24 15:52:21 2001:

female drive to have kids?  Where did you get that one from?


#24 of 46 by cyklone on Sat Nov 24 21:30:43 2001:

C'mon, you know that a woman isn't truly fulfilled until she has a baby!

<rather than pointing out I'm being sarcastic, I'll simply note that those
comments prior to yours were from men>


#25 of 46 by eeyore on Sun Nov 25 17:55:36 2001:

There are women who honestly think that way....they must have a baby, somebody
to take care of and love.  Me, thanks, I'll play with my nieces and nephews.


#26 of 46 by kewy on Sun Nov 25 19:27:34 2001:

well, yeah.. No doubt that there are women like that, but there are also MEN
like that.  To generalize like that is stupid, and pretty archaic.


#27 of 46 by eeyore on Sun Nov 25 21:16:32 2001:

I agree, but it's al ittle easier in this case to generalize in this
particular instance, since it's much easier for women to do something about
the having kids thing.....


#28 of 46 by lelande on Mon Nov 26 17:47:55 2001:

now i see why kewy doesn't post much. drives aren't conscious, so a drive to
have kids can exist in a gal who consciously wants nothing to do with kids
-- such gals can still want sex which is one manifestation of reproductive
drive.
of course, men have a reproductive drive as well, but men weren't generalized
in this discussion because there aren't any cases of men getting pregnant by
fucking strangers from out of town. YET.


#29 of 46 by phenix on Tue Nov 27 00:42:31 2001:

medically speaking it's pretty eqsy
slip him a mic fin
slit open abdominal wall in appendix fashion
insert embryo in to blood ritch abdominal cavity
sew
the particular incision will close it's self when muscles are flexed, and male
will think nothing of it
if sucessfully, bam, instant pregnant male


#30 of 46 by lelande on Tue Nov 27 01:03:42 2001:

now i know why i keep going back to the bar.


#31 of 46 by phenix on Tue Nov 27 02:13:11 2001:

i prefer a cuffed spreader myself, but when i'm in an oldschool mood
i suppose the bar is worth it


#32 of 46 by jazz on Wed Nov 28 03:12:51 2001:

        Shit, I leave for a year or so and some guy with an "e" on the end of
his name takes over my mantle.  

        I'm not sure what's behind #0 - it sounds like the kind of posting
that's venting about a specific situation - but taking it at face value: 
genetic self-interest, overplayed a little.  Completely glossing things over,
it's in the male's best interests genetically to impregnate one or more
healthy young women.  Though most of the qualities of attractiveness are a
human variation on the bizaare arms-race of sexual selection that's given us
peacock feathers and mallards, there are some that directly relate to an
individual's fertility, health, and reasonable ability to raise children to
a reproductive age - hips, tits, lits, and ... well, not power, but youth.

        Unfortunately sometimes these evolutionarily necessary hooks get a bit
overplayed, and you'll see a man salivating over a picture of a woman with
enough silicone to host AOL on a busy day.  Or lusting after a sixteen-year
old, who would've been prime marriage age only a few hundred years, or a
thousand miles, away.


#33 of 46 by jaklumen on Thu Dec 20 10:37:41 2001:

What about men who love older women?

Yes, I understand the younger woman mystique to a degree-- I did date 
two that were about 5 years younger.  But then it was a pretty rare 
thing.  The first I thought was quite a bit older-- closer to my age.  
The second-- oddly, same error, but I did feel a sense of recaptured 
youth.

It didn't last long, however, because I met Julie fairly soon 
afterward, and she's five years older than I.  Some might argue that 
she carries herself younger emotionally than I do, but I still dream 
of the day she carries her full 32 years.  Youth has its place, I 
suppose-- I won't deny that a breast on the cusp of maturity, with 
little sag, is an aesthetic pleasure, and that young women possessing 
such breasts often have very appealing physiques to match, but..

there was always something about experience that compelled me.  
Confidence, maturity, composure, and such things do sometimes 
accompany lessons learned with age.  A nubile body is tempting, yes, 
but an older woman is much like vine-ripened grapes or that which has 
endured the demands of passing generations.


#34 of 46 by lelande on Thu Dec 20 15:47:13 2001:

did this julie have a daughter?


#35 of 46 by jaklumen on Fri Dec 21 06:21:58 2001:

not yet.  She didn't come with kids attached.

What brought that comment on?


#36 of 46 by lelande on Tue Dec 25 16:16:44 2001:

wondered if we were thinking of the same person.


#37 of 46 by oval on Sat Dec 29 03:16:12 2001:

wow. men, you see, wow.


#38 of 46 by oval on Sat Dec 29 03:24:30 2001:

ok here it is. my partners are usually older. and it's not becuase i want some
man who can take care of me. it's becuase they KNOW HOW TO FUCK AND ARE DAMN
GOOD AT IT because they have experience. just like lelande thinks its fun to
cum on a young girl's tits, it's fun for a woman to be in bed with someone
who knows what the fuck theyre doing and what they want, etc. but not to say
some young cutie couldnt get in my pants either. it is fun to teach someone
things, isnt it boys.


#39 of 46 by jazz on Wed Jan 9 19:31:20 2002:

        After your mid-twenties age really doesn't dictate sexual experience,
though, at least insofar as I've seen.  It does seem to help men know how to
properly behave in public, but then, as a species, we're slow.


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