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Grex Scifi Item 83: Sci-Fi TV [linked]
Entered by shadows on Wed Jul 24 20:53:09 UTC 1996:

        
        Anybody into Sci-Fi TV? Babylon 5, Star Trek TNG, DS9, Voyager...etc.

79 responses total.



#1 of 79 by olddraco on Wed Jul 24 21:46:15 1996:

All of the above :-)


#2 of 79 by jor on Wed Jul 24 21:57:53 1996:

I miss The Prisoner


#3 of 79 by koggie on Wed Jul 24 22:33:23 1996:

"We want inforamtion...information...INFORMATION!"

"Who are ya?!"

"The new number 2"

"Who is number one?"

"You are number six."

"I AM NOT A NUMBER< I AM A FREE MAN!"



#4 of 79 by eskarina on Wed Jul 24 22:56:12 1996:

Anybody seen the Converse floating around in the star wars movie?


#5 of 79 by bruin on Thu Jul 25 01:09:27 1996:

BTW, did the Sci-Fi Channel pick up "Mystery Science Theater 3000?"


#6 of 79 by eskarina on Thu Jul 25 03:27:26 1996:

No, but I did see MST3K in the network listings.  Its on at 2:00 in the
morning... and I wish I could remember what network!  Check the TV guide that
comes in the A2 news.


#7 of 79 by omni on Thu Jul 25 04:08:31 1996:

 That would be channel 50. MST3K hour. No cable, you take what you can get.


#8 of 79 by tsty on Thu Jul 25 06:31:13 1996:

all of the above ... but no cable ...


#9 of 79 by meg on Thu Jul 25 10:54:27 1996:

Can't watch B5.  Has all the wrong aliens.  I am too Star Trek-centric.


#10 of 79 by scott on Thu Jul 25 11:12:43 1996:

B5, saw one for the first time this week, not too bad.  Kinda goofy.

The Prisoner is still a big favorite.

I also miss the original Star Trek, which hasn't been on TV lately.


#11 of 79 by robh on Thu Jul 25 15:48:51 1996:

This item has been linked from Agora 60 to Sci-Fi 83.
Yes, folks, a whole conference to talk about this!
What a concept!


#12 of 79 by janc on Thu Jul 25 18:34:34 1996:

Sci-Fi TV is OK, but it hasn't much of anything to do with Science Fiction.


#13 of 79 by matthew on Fri Jul 26 10:09:52 1996:

r#10 This far into the series it can be difficult to catch up on what all is
happeing. THere is so much history in the plot and characters now.


#14 of 79 by popcorn on Fri Jul 26 14:39:13 1996:

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#15 of 79 by robh on Fri Jul 26 16:31:40 1996:

No, #4 is referring to Return of the Jedi, which had a
sneaker taking part in the big space battle at the end.
Seriously.


#16 of 79 by eskarina on Fri Jul 26 19:59:29 1996:

Re 14:  Not a new movie, but they're talking about rereleasing them soon with
modern special effects put in.
I hope they don't take the sneaker out.  I like it.  :)


#17 of 79 by gull on Sat Jul 27 02:27:29 1996:

<blinkblink>  Sneaker?  Now I'm going to have to watch that movie again.
;)


#18 of 79 by bru on Sat Jul 27 02:36:05 1996:

Deep Space Nine is going to make a time travel episode where they interact
with the original actors in the original series, all thru the power of
computer animation.


#19 of 79 by robh on Sat Jul 27 03:35:18 1996:

So is this their way of formally saying "we have no ideas left"?


#20 of 79 by eskarina on Sat Jul 27 04:58:04 1996:

exactly.


#21 of 79 by wolfg676 on Sat Jul 27 07:14:11 1996:

Dammit Jim, I'm a writer, not a miracle worker!


#22 of 79 by scott on Sun Jul 28 01:01:03 1996:

I was wondering what Natalie Cole was up to.  But has she been writing DS9
or Voyager episodes?  ;)


#23 of 79 by bru on Sun Jul 28 22:10:48 1996:

Well, technically, it might be fun to see Kirk and Cisco face off in a one
on one.  Oh, ther are also supposed to be tribbles involved in it.


#24 of 79 by mta on Mon Jul 29 02:22:50 1996:

Amen, Jan!  


#25 of 79 by void on Mon Jul 29 08:14:27 1996:

   i would dearly love to see a "star trek" *anything* with william shatner
as kirk and adam west as the bad guy.


#26 of 79 by lapcat on Tue Jul 30 21:15:33 1996:

I would dearly love to see all the series which are limping along
on second-rate writing talent and third-rate premises die off.

The ONLY real SF on broadcast TV any more is Babylon 5.  Everything
in the Star Dreck milieu has degenerated to something between soap
opera and situation comedy set in space.  Ever notice how many
world-shaking discoveries and life-changing experiences there are
per season, and how they wind up being almost-but-not-quite completely
ignored ever after?  At least Babylon 5's characters are authentic
people (regardless of eye color, skin texture, or arms vs. tentacles).


#27 of 79 by sam663 on Thu Aug 1 03:17:18 1996:

        I agree, the writing for shows such as Star Trek Voyager is very week.
B5's writing is spectacluar and captivating. Even the filler shows are great.
The whole Shadow War thing with the past and future depending on each other
is just awsome.



#28 of 79 by bru on Thu Aug 1 16:08:35 1996:

Absolutely well done.


#29 of 79 by krc on Fri Aug 2 04:51:13 1996:

I liked St:TNG and still like to watch reruns -- sometimes even catch one I
haven't seen before.  I liked the first season of ST:DS9, but got bored after
that, although I may tune in some this next season to see how a couple of plot
lines go.  But B5 is the greatest!
,


#30 of 79 by eskarina on Fri Aug 2 19:57:09 1996:

Where is this B5 thing that everyone is talking about on?  I've never heard
of it.


#31 of 79 by robh on Fri Aug 2 20:05:22 1996:

Since you're local to Ann Arbor, it's on 8 PM Tuesdays on Channel 20
from Detroit, and they rebroadcast it at 1 AM Sunday morning.
(Or 1 AM Saturday night, for you folks who don't work midnights.  >8)


#32 of 79 by lapcat on Fri Aug 2 20:33:11 1996:

eskarina, if you enjoy good writing and drama, you have a treat coming.


#33 of 79 by scott on Fri Aug 2 21:43:09 1996:

To deacrify it (neat new word, eh?), "B5" is "Babylon 5", and it's been around
for a couple years or so.  

I'm actually starting to follow it.  Funny what not having cable does to you.
It's OK, but I still think it is a bit hokey.


#34 of 79 by janc on Sun Aug 4 20:19:50 1996:

The writing for Babylon 5 is anything but brilliant.  Hokey is decidedly the
word for it.  This is definately C-grade science fiction.  Of course, that
gives it a pretty high rank among the sludge that is generally found on
television.  The Star Trek universe is crippled by the idea that they have
to put all the characters back the way they were after each episode.  So they
characters suffer all sorts of trauma, and then, after 60 minutes, they are
just fine again.  This makes all the world-shaking drama seem insincere. 
Science fiction naturally takes on world-shaking themes, and resolving these
kind of stories in 60 minutes just doesn't work.  Babylon 5 is the first TV
science fiction show that has been willing to accept that science fiction
needs a broader canvas than "Three's Company" does.  But outside of that, I
think the Star Trek shows still have better writing, at least on good days.
When TNG or DS9 (forget Voyager - it's a mess) are at their best, they are
better than B5 ever is.  But in the Star Trek universe, the strong shows are
disconnected from weak shows.  When Babylon 5 delivers up a lame episode (as
it often does) at least the larger story is still being carried forward, and
as long as they don't do too many lame episodes in a row, fans don't mind.
This gives an illusion of better writing.  So B5 can limp along on what really
can't be counted anything better than hack writing, because it has a much more
forgiving format.

I also think B5 lacks any really good acting.  Star Trek isn't over-supplied
with it, but at least there are a few on each show (except Voyager).


#35 of 79 by robh on Sun Aug 4 21:32:16 1996:

I can't disagree with janc more, but apart from carping on
B5, I don't see any specifics to respond to.


#36 of 79 by koggie on Mon Aug 5 01:30:31 1996:

I'll have to agrree with Mr. Henderson on that one.

Please try to forgive my extra "r" in "agree"



#37 of 79 by bru on Mon Aug 5 17:07:35 1996:

Janc, if you aren't watching "all" the episodes, then you ae not catching the
reason for the "filler" episodes.

Adn as a whole, the writing adn the characters on Babylon 5 far exceed the
quality of any Star Trek episode ever made.  (with a few exceptions)


#38 of 79 by kaplan on Tue Aug 6 03:41:35 1996:

Voyager has good acting and good characters.  The reason the show is lousy
is that the writing is poor, and the premise of being in the middle of nowhere
trying to get back to the central part of the Trek universe is dopey.

I think I can mostly agree with Jan's analysis of the fact that B5's writing
could be better.  DS9 had better writing in the first couple of seasons than
it had last year.  The average DS9 episode may be better written and acted
than the average B5 episode.  If I had to choose between B5 and DS9, I'd
probably pick B5 because I enjoy the "story arc."  

That said, I'm glad I don't have to choose between them and I try to watch
every DS9 and every B5 episode as soon as I can after they come out.


#39 of 79 by krc on Tue Aug 6 21:53:26 1996:

I'd have to agree that the big draw of B5 is the story arc.  It's like trying
to unravel a mystery to try to figure out where this tale is leading.  Some
of the acting is very good, some seems wooden.  I did *not* like the way
Sinclair was played.  


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