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Grex Scifi Item 109: The Matrix
Entered by jy420 on Mon Apr 5 05:29:02 UTC 1999:

It seems as if the movie The Matrix did a good job in depicting a
world similar to that of "A Brave New World" the thing with humans
being made and not sexual produced in the future struck my attention
to this.  This movie, in my opinion, was not about computer hacking, per
se, but mainly about us.. the people of this world being slaves to humanity.
This can not be more true then this movie or anything else shows it to
be.  The government, the authorities, our own president.. living out a
fantasy world such as that in The Matrix is possibly.. is it not?
Ofcourse jumping over buildings and dodging bullets might be a little
, sorry very, fictional.. but who knows?  Moving faster then the speed of
light.. so fast that you can stop bullets, catch 'em in the air, such as
Reeves showed us.  Ofcourse thats all just computer animated.. but in
reality or in fantasy it could be true.. all in all Matrix was a very
colorful movie to watch.. it was full of nice special effects and kept
the audience at awe.. no wonder its at the top of the list!

21 responses total.



#1 of 21 by anne on Fri Apr 9 16:15:22 1999:

Sure, spoil the secret of it before people get a chance to see it!
<grins>  Personally, I've seen it twice, and loved it both times, and
would go see it again if I had the $$.

Given that you've spoiled it already... what's so amazing about leaping
buildings, etc, since it's all computer generated and they know that?
And Neo's abilities had more to do with how he could see the Matrix
then anything else.



#2 of 21 by chimera on Sun Apr 18 03:42:18 1999:

As a note, I've never seen so many guns in my life (not that I hang around
places where I would...)  Aside from that though, the premise of the movie
didn't have anything to do with guns, kung fu, romance, guns, guns,
explosions, guns (or hacking, as was mentioned), but the basic "Frankenstein
syndrome".  It's been done a thousand times (though never with such nice...
effects).  Star Trek has done it, X-Files has done it, so have innumerable
sci fi books... and yet that didn't take much away from the movie. 
Frankenstein creates monster.  Frankenstein regrets creating monster.  Come
to think of it, though, this is an exception to the "monster turns out to be
good, innocent, misunderstood soul" deal.  I'm pretty sure there's not going
to be any spoiling of fun here, anyone who's going to see it has seen it...
unless you're not in the US...  Sorry if that's the case.


#3 of 21 by gjharb on Wed Apr 21 18:56:06 1999:

I saw it last weekend with my 11 yr. old nephew and 15 yr. old neice.  We
stumbled out of there raving about it.  I plan to see it again by myself so
I can concentrate (with a large tub of popcorn).


#4 of 21 by chimera on Thu Apr 22 00:23:30 1999:

Not exactly the popcorn and date movie of the year, but it was done nicely.
I plan on seeing it again too.  One of my friends was making fun of me for
lumping everything with Star Trek and The X-Files.  I really can't help it,
but I think I have a new obsession.


#5 of 21 by aruba on Mon May 3 21:22:42 1999:

I liked it too.  I hope there's a sequel.


#6 of 21 by chimera on Wed May 5 20:35:08 1999:

Problem: Lack of Conflict.  Since Neo has the ability to control the Matrix,
the only way anyone can threaten the resistance is from *The Real World*, and
such a threat would lack the double jeopardy atmosphere that made The Matrix
great.  
Note: In spite of that, if there were a sequel, I would still go an see it


#7 of 21 by anne on Tue May 18 20:47:26 1999:

I think that the brothers were thinking of it in term of it being a 
trilogy... so they must have something in mind...



#8 of 21 by chimera on Tue May 18 22:58:57 1999:

Ooh!  Deja vu!  They must have changed something!  Two letters: SW.


#9 of 21 by anne on Thu May 27 20:15:28 1999:

<grins>



#10 of 21 by janc on Sat May 29 04:25:00 1999:

Since there are lots of spoilers above, I'll merrily add some more:

I don't see any problem with lack of conflict in a sequel.  Neo defeated
exactly one police program.  Big deal.  There has to be a much bigger,
much more sophisticated AI behind The Matrix.  The security systems of
the matrix can be reprogrammed.  Neo is still very vulnerable in the
real world, where the rebels are serious underdogs.  There is a lot of
room for more fighting.

There are certainly some very interesting stories still to be told that
aren't just Neo vs. AI battles.  Exactly what is the goal of this
rebellion?  If they kill all the computers, and all the humans crawl out
of their pods into the bleak, dead planet of 2199, would that be any
kind of a victory?  Maybe instead we want humanity to take control of
the matrix and keep living largely, if not entirely, with in it.  Maybe
the end we really want to obtain, is peace with the AI's, not their
annilation.  How would that be achieved?  How would humanity as a whole
be liberated from the Matrix?  

Or you can get more paranoid and ask if the "real world" is really real.
Could it just be another matrix?

I don't see any problem at all with finding Neo lots of problems to
solve in future movies.  I do see some problems finding a plausible and
satisfying way for humans to "win."  My suspicion is that they'll have
lots of fancy fight scenes, and resolve it all with magical hokum.

We already have the problematical character of "the oracle," whose
appears to work by magic rather than science.  Probably more of that
will be invoked to make everything work out.  Of course, they could
actually try to explain the oracle.  Her long life suggests that she is
a program, not a human.  Predicting the future as well as she did might
be possible to a very sophisticated program with deep access to the
matrix, that can simulate likely future development within the matrix.
(Well, maybe.)  Having some major AI backing the human rebels would
explain a lot about how the first rebels got free and got enough
technology together to pull other people out of the matrix.


#11 of 21 by dougfrsh on Thu Jun 3 19:16:52 1999:

ther will indeed probally be a trilogy for the Matrix.

...


#12 of 21 by dougfrsh on Thu Jun 3 19:21:19 1999:

Oh, there's also a topic for the Matrix in angora and cinema.


#13 of 21 by mcnally on Thu Jun 3 23:04:15 1999:

  Angora?  Is that where all the rabbits hang out?


#14 of 21 by anne on Mon Jun 7 13:45:27 1999:

no... I just wish they confined themselves to one area... <grrs>



#15 of 21 by koolfire on Sat Mar 4 21:09:53 2000:

Man! That was one great movie. Really enjoyed it. Especially when trinity and
neo fight against the security guardsat the building where morpheus is being
held captive. The movie incorporates more grahics than real acting i suppose!.
But anyway a great piece of work.Hats off to the director!!


#16 of 21 by madelf on Thu Mar 9 23:23:56 2000:

It was quite a wild ride.
The last thing I heard from the rumour mill is  Reeves had been contracted
to do 2 more Matrix films.


#17 of 21 by otaking on Fri Mar 10 04:32:45 2000:

That's the plan. The success of the first movie will spawn 2 sequels. I
haven't heard any confirmation on Keanu Reeve's role, if any, in those films.


#18 of 21 by nikita02 on Sat Mar 23 23:00:17 2002:

Of course Keanu will be in those! although now of course I know that, because
he's been in Sydney creating the two movies: prequel and sequel.  Please
someone else talk in this thread, I just finished seeing The Matrix for the
tenth time lol: Let the classic live on! :)
The Matrix Has You...


#19 of 21 by rehmj02 on Wed Nov 12 08:43:45 2003:

It's funny that this thread was last replyd to in 2002, seing as how popular
the matrix trilogy is. For anyone still hanging on, there is no prequel only
to seqeuels The Matrix Reoladed and The Matrix Revolotions, both of which are
out now. There is also talk of a 4th film, due to the lack of finite ending
in the last film.


#20 of 21 by mcnally on Wed Nov 12 20:44:17 2003:

 I never bothered to see "Reloaded" and probably won't until "Revolutions"
 is out on video.  I might've rented "Reloaded" and gone to see "Revolutions"
 in the theater but every review I've heard of the third film has been
 strongly negative.


#21 of 21 by flem on Thu Nov 13 17:41:36 2003:

I didn't think it was that bad, so long as you view it as a morality
play, not your typical action movie.  Not that it was a very good
morality play, but it at least becomes comprehensible that way.  

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