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Will it ever be possible for man to travel to another solar system?If so what different ways are there of getting there?Are there any realistic theories to back up the science fiction "star gate" idea?
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Possible? If we ever start making ton quantities of antimatter, sure. And this is all with known physics. Using a matter-annihilation rocket (whose exhaust would be pi mesons, directed by a magnetic nozzle) it should be possible to travel to the nearer stars in just a few years of subjective time. The problem is getting the cost of antimatter down to something which makes a mission affordable, and given the huge energy cost of even a gram of antiprotons and the pitiful efficiency of our current manufacturing methods, that's a tall order.
Are you saying that we could build the rocket, just not fill its fuel tanks? (Given, say, a $100 billion budget.) Or is the antimatter rocket impossible-with-vaguely-current-technology, but still far easier than the fuel?
I doubt we could build the rocket without sufficient fuel to test various engine designs. Not all engineering can be done with simulation.
...not to mention designing a gas tank to hold the antimatter. There is something funny about space. Empty space is full of *something*, as quarks and antiquarks spontaneously appear in empty space (empty of both matter and energy-as-we-know-it). Something is going on in those other 9 dimensions that we don't experience. I suspect that when we do understand "empty space" and the other 9 dimensions, we might be able to do some things only partly imagined in science fiction today.
Maybe the ones who will be first to travel to other stars will fund it themselves. It may take a number of years, after getting the dollars by doing well-paid for space things: capturing asteroids for the metal and other ore; landing ice chunks on the moon or Mars to use as a water supply; being the site for micro-gravity manufacturing.
We've already figured out how to handle small quantities of antimatter, and we can handle things without touching them using magnetic and electric fields. I don't think the gas tank is going to be the real problem with antimatter rockets. Finding ways to make wormholes or warp drives is all well and good, but it isn't even a known possibility yet, just un-verified speculation of physical theories yet to be tested. Antimatter has the advantage that there isn't any new physics required, just engineering. ;-)
What sort of reaction chamber & nozzle were we figuring on using on the matter/antimatter rocket? It's gonna have to take quite a beating....
Basically, a really powerful magnet. "Beating" is an understatment, since the product of p - pbar annihilation includes one pi-nought meson which almost instantly decays to a pair of high-energy gamma rays. Radiation damage is going to be a big issue to anything nearby.
How "pure" an antimatter rocket are we looking at here? Something that's using lots of matter as reaction mass/fuel and a touch of antimatter to get a "hot" exhaust velocity, or a 50/50 mix aimed at getting the ultimate in delta-v? If the latter, my impression is that most of your thrust will come from the inertia of absorbed hard gamma, and really nothing that we can envision can take enough of that to get meaningful thrust and engine service life.
The p - pbar reaction also emits two charged pi mesons, which can be directed by magnetic fields (they decay to muons and then to electrons, but that process takes some microseconds). The momentum transferred to the magnet by pushing the charged annihilation products backwards would give the bulk of the thrust. If some method could be used to use the gammas that would be terrific, but I question the likelihood. The concept where I got this assumed 50/50 ratio of matter to antimatter for best exhaust velocity. If you're just putzing around the solar system it makes much more sense to use a much higher ratio of matter to antimatter; you get the best energy utilization at a mass-ratio of about 4.
If they're giving the bulk of the thrust, aren't those two pi mesons going to have speeds extremely close to c, thus requiring a...ah... problematically intense magnetic field to guide them in the desired direction? (And wouldn't they be a particle/antiparticle pair, with opposite charges to further constrain magnet design?) Any feel for what % of the reaction energy comes off as has-to-be-handled- by-the-magnet-cooling-system gamma?
They come off at a velocity that you can probably calculate from the mass of p and pbar, minus the masses of pi, pi-bar, and pi-nought; the vanished rest mass becomes kinetic energy. Believe me, present-day magnets are up to the task. At Fermilab they sling protons around at kinetic energies of tens of billions of electron volts, and the total energy of a p-pbar reaction is under 2 GeV. The charge/mass ratio of a pion is considerably higher than a protons, making it easier to push magnetically. The amount of energy absorbed by the magnet's shielding system depends on the geometry of the annihilation system and the nozzle. You can run a few numbers to get the radiated gamma power for a given thrust level, but then you need to start analyzing magnets. My E&M is a little too stale to do this on the back of an envelope.
Ah.....how many hundred meters of running within a few centimeters of the magnets does it take Fermilab to deflect a fast proton through a full radian? I don't think that either the scale or the geometry that Fermilab uses is an option in our case.
Not usable, and almost certainly not necessary either. If you want to calculate the required radius, compute the maximum energy of a pion from the annihilation (2/3 of the vanished rest-mass, more or less) and thus its speed. From this and its charge (1 unit) you can compute the force from a given magnetic field, and thus the radius of its turn. Electrons need a lot less field to bend them to a given radius at the same speed as a proton, and pions are much lighter than protons.
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