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Grex Reality Item 39: IF JESUS IS GOD
Entered by quixote on Mon Nov 16 02:55:06 UTC 1998:

IF JESUS IS GOD

Those who mistakenly believe that Jesus is God are obligated by their 
misguided faith to believe that Jesus was a butcher of children! For if 
Jesus is in fact God, he did not deny certain wicked things that were 
said of God.

1 SAMUEL 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'I will punish the 
Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came 
up out of Egypt. (3) Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all 
that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, CHILD 
AND INFANT, ox and sheep, camels and donkey!

FOR THIS IS THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE- THIS IS THE LAND OF EGYPT
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14 responses total.

#1 of 14 by i on Mon Nov 16 04:55:17 1998:

This is fairly tame compared to some of the stuff you'll run into if you
take the Bible literally & start reading outside the parts they covered
in Sunday School.  What's the point?

#2 of 14 by quixote on Fri Nov 20 15:30:52 1998:

Those who seek to rationalize irrational things said of God, serve 
neither God nor truth! 

THIS IS THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE-THIS IS THE LAND OF EGYPT
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#3 of 14 by i on Sat Nov 21 20:28:01 1998:

Maybe i should have asked if there *is* a point....

#4 of 14 by quixote on Sun Nov 22 01:18:51 1998:

To those concerned: 

The sole purpose of my post is to cause one to reflect upon the wicked 
things that have been said of God! For it is troubling that those who 
insist that Jesus is God, become offended when it is said that if Jesus 
is God, then Jesus is responsible for certain Old Testament atrocities, 
such as those in 1 SAMUEL 15:2-3.  Yet, before these things are pointed 
out to them, these very same people have had no problem in believing 
that God has done these evil things!

FOR THIS IS THE HOUSE OF BONDAGE-THIS IS THE LAND OF EGYPT:

Those who claim the Bible is void of error accuse God of wicked things. 
And those that seek to rationalize irrational things said of God, serve 
neither God, nor the truth! 

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#5 of 14 by mary on Sun Nov 22 11:53:38 1998:

Welcome to Grex, Wayne!

#6 of 14 by i on Sun Nov 22 20:09:04 1998:

Well, the omnipotent, omnipresent, etc. God camp has to deal with God's
accessory-before-the-fact (at best) role in all the evil that happens in
the world.  (Doesn't matter if they subscribe to the Allah, Father/Son/
Ghost, Lord of Israel, Hindu, or some other version of God - the problem's 
the same.) 

I don't remember ever meeting anyone with problems with Jesus =is= God
=who's_responsible_for= evil-sounding deeds, but there are probably
plenty of 'em out there.  Are you saying that the Bible is wrong in
attributing certain actions to God, or that Jesus was a human super-
prophet or underGod, or anything along those lines?

#7 of 14 by amikal on Sat Feb 27 07:10:33 1999:

Well! It seems Everybody here, while discussing that Jesus is God or not,
agree on one point that something called God is there to exist. But is it
really true ? If you believe so, then what's the reason behind this belief
other than your faith itself. How did you start having faith in God ? Perhaps
your parents told you to do so, or may be your teachers guided you that way,
or quite possible that sometime you find yourself in trouble and found 
nothing else than God to help you...but you never cared whether this
socalled God really helped you or some natural event solved your problem.
Have you ever questioned your guides(parents, teachers, priests etc.) about
existence of God ? Rare chances you did and even if you did, what response
did you get ?

So, is it not possible that everything about God is just an imagination and
we all are following it fearing wrath of God in case we  question His powers,
or because we love that fiction-character so much believing that He only
created this world and us ? It's never been proved scintifically, logically
but emotionally and spiritually.

#8 of 14 by lordseth on Sun Mar 7 03:23:34 1999:

why was it called the *new* testament?   because of the death/sacrifice 
of the mortal part of Jesus we were forgiven of our sins thus a *new*
kind of dealing with sin was administered. we did not need such harsh 
punishmints any more because before we were sinning without forgiveness.
 
                         this is my belief.

#9 of 14 by mary on Sun Mar 7 12:47:51 1999:

IF God makes the rules then why couldn't He have just forgiven
everyone and skipped the part about having His son tortured and
killed?  Sounds overly dramatic to me.

#10 of 14 by i on Sun Mar 7 21:24:59 1999:

Read the bible.  God is way more interested in drama, fiddling around
in human affairs, etc. than in economy of effort.  (Human nature being
what it is, an quick&easy/drama-free scheme would attract very few 
believers, and we're talking about one of the world's most popular
religions.)

#11 of 14 by mary on Sun Mar 7 21:37:45 1999:

Yeah, I see your point.  It's just that the God of the Old Testament
behaves a whole lot like another fictional character we're all familiar
with, that of the obscenely wealthy and powerful old white man,
manipulative to extreme and eager for attention and obedience.  Not
qualities I think of as worth admiring.

#12 of 14 by happyboy on Sun Mar 7 22:18:00 1999:

you mean god is like that guy in the 
simpson's who owns the nuke-plant?

ok then...who is the biblical
"smithers" eh?   hmm?

#13 of 14 by stevb on Tue Apr 13 22:27:37 1999:

God forgives us of our sin if and only if we are truly sorry for what 
we have done and have seen the error of our ways.This I believe I was 
taught in in school.

If we sin and are not repentant, then we will face eternal damnation in 
hell. (ditto)

What sinner, facing the prospect of eternal damnation, would not be 
truly sorry? What person , on finding out that god did infact exist, 
would not be awestruck and ready to serve him, his true master?

Is it not logical then, to summise that no one would go to hell? Our 
forgiving father would forgive them when they see the true light, would 
he not? Does god set down a time frame for his forgivness? No penance 
after the age of 80....90...death...? If so why? If not:


Therefore hell would serve no purpose but as a threat( to those who 
believe) which would help keep check of human moral behaviour????
An adult version of the "the boogy man" story kids are told if they 
don't go to bed, told to those of us who refuse to think by those of us 
who are frightened the thoughts we might think!

Am I horribly wrong on this one or is it another example of the 
hypocrytical, power hungery monster that is organised religion???

#14 of 14 by i on Sun May 2 11:11:57 1999:

Well, the "truly repent or burn forever" version of hell certainly makes
it easier for the high priests, kings, etc. to keep the serfs quiet and
in their place.  The "natural response to a powerful being is awe and
eagerness to serve" and "who are we to question or understand the mighty
and the powerful?" attitudes so often seen in conservative religion also
strike me as manna from heaven to nourish & sustain the self-serving
humans at the top of the social pyramid.

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