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Is there nobody who wants to see GOD. GOD
38 responses total.
Two questions: How much are the tickets and is it reserved seating? It really bugs me to pay lotsa bucks and then have to get there an hour early to get a good seat.
Why is there nobody who wants to see(understand as realize) GOD i.e. I wish somebody would answer seriously.
<if you want someone to answer seriously, put the item in a serious conference. this is NOT a serious conference.> My problem being, of course, I can't figure out which god I want to see. Athena, obviously, but then who? If I pay a visit to Wotan, will Amaterasu think I'm cheating on her? And what will happen if she does? And what if I decide I want to see every single god on the planet? How much vacation time will I need to take?
It is really easy to see god. You are doing it everytime, everywhere. As i see it, god is everything ang everithing is god (including ourselves!) I think god is the aggregation of all the energy of al the universe, and as Einstein discovered, E=mc2, so enrgy and 'materia' is the same end each one can be converted into the other. BTW: i wrote 'materia' because i am a spanish-speaker an i didn't remember how to translate it. sorry about the mistakes. see you
Has anyone ever heard the song "One Of Us" by Joan Osborne <sp?>?
Yes I have, and yes you have the spelling right. Thought-provoking, isn't it?
Very much so. I find it interesting that local listeners that heard this song on my favorite radio station wanted to have it banned from the play list because it "denounced God" and I just thought that was absurd!! I've always thought that song was a sort of social comentary. "If God had a face, what would it look like and would you want to see, if seeing meant that you would have to believe... ?" I think it poses a very interesting question. One that I don't think my faith is strong enough to answer.
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be conforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God..... My name is dyl, and yes I want to see God. By the way that quote was from Matthew 5, from God's Holy word the Bible. Don't you want to see Him too? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
I've seen enough of my own deities, thanks.
Don't you think that the rich in spirit would get the kingdom of heaven?
I've wondered about the whole "meek shall inherit the Earth" thing. Isn't it found in the same book of the Bible that features the Four Horsemen? That'd be some Earth to inherit. :P
I'd just as soon inherit the stars. (And the planets orbiting those stars, or I wouldn't have any place to sit. >8)
Anything to get close to Athena, right Robh? >8)
To see God(ess)(es)...doesn't everybody? wouldn't everybody like to know what the hell's *really* going on? No mere mortal could ever understand the beautiful truth of things, but as long as we exist we will still search for it
If god were so powerful and we rreally saw how powerful he/she/it was then I for one would wnat that power and by that blasphemy be sent straight to hell. So no, but being atheist if I see an angel i'll grabn onto them so fast they won't know what hit theor holy a***es (cos eternal death is uncool even though it pry is true)
I don't think I'd want to meet whatever deity does control all of it, if there is one at all. I like having these unanswered qestions to ponder over for years and years to come. Besides, with my current beliefs about deities, I doubt I could handle all of my ideas being disproved about why this place runs the way it does and all the questions of why that I've answered for myself. It does sound crazy of mme to say, I guess, because even if he/she/it were to disspell my personal logic, meeting such a being/spirit/what have you would just be monumental. I could tell everyone that I met God. Maybe just for a friendly chat :-)
God is supposed to be a *spirit* without form or mass...so how can you see him? Or her...? Whatever. (Sometimes being Pagan is sooooo much simpler> =) Right Rob?
Hey, it works for me. I spent the weekend in ritual space, and it was GOOOOOOOOOOOD.
It's been more than a year since someone appended his response here. Anyway, your question reminded me of the Song "One of Us". The song itself says a lot of things about our relationship with God, and in fact, the way I see it, it talks about the past, present, and "possible" future understanding of GOD. "Possible", because the song gives us a situation, that is, if GOD IS one of us, if we are able to see HIM, if He becomes visible to our naked eye. From that point, it puts us in an even deeper situation, and a harder question. What would your reaction be ? But then, again, I would like to think that the song isn't talking about something unrealistic, a situation that is impossible to happen. Rather, I view it this way: There are agnostics and atheists. There are Christians, but sometimes even Christians themselves doubt God's existence (though that doesn't make them less Christian that any of us. I think, we have to accept that some of us experience low points in our belief). Now, for me, what this song tries to tell me is that you don't really need to see ( through our eyes ) God to believe Him. < "If seing meant that you'll believe in heaven and....." > God is with us right now, you could see God in each of us, and eventually, what the songs tries to tell me is that we should love other people the way we love God.
cecille did you look at response 5?
Cecille - For the most part, I agree with what you have to say. (I also have been away from this thread for a while, so bear with me if I repeat previous points or drift a bit) However, it seems in your response that you are assuming that 'God' means the God of Christianity. There are those among us - myself included - who belive as strongly as you do, who have as great a desire to see, and who love other people just as much, but what we belive and what you belive aren't the same. I have no objection to your beliefs, and I think what you've said is beautiful, but...I'd appreciate it if you'd realize that some of the 'belivers' here aren't Christian.
I have seen the sunset and the Moon full round and bright. I have seen the Red Wood standing taller than the snow covered peaks of the rockies, which I have also seen. I have seen the children playing in the summer sun and the grandmothers knitting their time away. I have seen the birth of puppies and the death of my father. Surely, then have I not seen God a thousand times?
I mean no offense to anyone when I say that I hope that someday (soon) the (entire) human race will move out of their adolescent stage of explaining everything around them with dieties, gods, and myths, and finally come to the point where things are universally explained with logic, math, and science.
Belief in God, or even an afterlife, is just a response to the fear of not knowing why we are here on Earth and what happens after. However, I do believe that some things transcend logic, math and science.
such as?
Faith and love.
I've got to disagree with you there, David. There are some things that logic doesn't work for, and there are some things that logic shouldn't work for - there are things I'd much rather feel intuitively than understand. Maybe I should say this, instead: 'Logic' is generally taken to mean 'cold logic'. I think it would be fine for everyone to work by logic, if they could still keep that sense of wonder and mystery intanct.
logic math and science? It would take century before man can explain everything here on earth and what about the universe..it will take them eternity... what I mean is that I simply believe in one thing... every thing is in order, the moon the sun, the stars. Even the rain, earth life cycle, plant produce oxygen for man, man produce carbon dioxide for plant. obviously something cannot exist from nothing man with its knowledge cannot create something without destroying something, cannot invent cure without side effects to our body. even in the beginning, man in their primitive lif, belives that there is a GOD. In our modern world some men still belives that there is a GOD... I believe in GOD and I want to see GOD
God does exist, and the world has seen Him. His handiwork is evident in the stars and we bear His fingerprints. The account of His personal revelation to the world as Jesus Christ is written in the Bible. Jesus claimed to be the only way for anyone to ever see God in person. A man who could raise Himself from the dead is certainly one to whom we should listen closely.
The myths and fairytales of today are the relgion of yesterday. The old gods are still worshiped by many. The universe is a large place and I want to keep all options opend. I feel there are too many gods out there to limit my self to just one god and make a mistake. You know he who won the wars wrote the historys. That is why many pagan books and history has been lost fir years . and why we have to recreate the past from fragments. I think it is a shame wehn a relgion teaches hate or to harm others cus they have diffrent beliefs. .e .e
I want to see Jesus
Which Jesus do you want to see, and in which senses do you wish to see him?
I could send for the manager, I don't know about Jesus. What is this regarding, please?
Hi folks! I would really see God or Jesus (in all his glory), but i don't believe i could survive to that, at least w/o his help! As the Bible says, nobody can see God and keep alive, nobody can touch Him and keep going. It's reasonable to believe that! If you think not, try look to the sun as 12 o'clock for fews minutes, can you!
A fair number of people interpret the "nobody can see God and keep alive" glorifications of the Divine in works like the Bible as much more projections of the Divine into the very limited realms of human physical and emotional experience than as literal accounts of Divine reality.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -Stephen Roberts
I know God, and I contend that it is impossible to be an atheist, the best
you can do is be an agnostic. The world itself proclaims the nessecity of
a God, though we could not comprehend him, though merely by our own intuition
we cannot see him, yet the beatific vision is truly abtainable! Remember that
blessed are the pure in heart for they shalls see God!!!
If then we cannot understand or comprehend God on our own, and we could
spend an eternity exploring His infinite greatness, how then can we know him?
God must reveal himself to us that his joy may be in us, and that our joy may
be complete. We cannot through our own mind figure out who God is, though
we can figure out <i>that</i> God is.
And so we must look for the revelation of the mystery of God made by
himself to man. And such we have, for God not only testified about himself
to man, but God still testify's to man through his Holy Spirit which flows
from th heart of him who's name means the salvation of I am who am.
God revealed himself to us as I AM WHO AM! Think of the philosophy
"I think, therefore I am" in the need for a deity we have deitized ourselves,
yet the One Living and True God has revealed himself as the ONLY I am! He
is the only one who truly is in the nature of his being. We are dependant
upon him, our nature is to be not, and it is only through mercy that we are
contradictory to our nature. The nature of the universe is to be not, and
it is only through mercy that the universe is contradictory to its nature.
Furthermore we read in the scriptures, which is God's self revelation
to man that God is love, and that he reveals his glory (nature) to the world
through every created thing. He reveals himself through us, but not we, but
as we were meant to be.
You see we read in Genisis, the begging that God created man in his
image and likeness, what is God's image and likeness? Well if God is love
then the image and likeness of God is love as well. HE MADE US IN THE IMAGE
OF LOVE, and love is self-gift.
Next we read that they were naked and felt no shame. What an
incredible thing! Naked and felt no shame. Save for the weather there was
no need for clothes.
Now let's do an experiment. How about you take off your clothes and
go to the middle of your city. If you live in Ann Arbor call be up, I'll come
and watch you. You then stand there in the middle of...oh...say the diag
during regular class period. Every 15 seconds or so a few walk buy, then
classes and, and seeminly 8,000,000 people walk by. Are you going to be
embarrased? Are you going to feel shame because of your naked body? Of
course! We hide the areas of our bodies that make us different from the
opposite sex, and those area's are shameful to us. But remember that God made
us in his image, and the nakedness must be his image.
What is sex? That might seem like a funny, and perhaps strange
question, but what is sex? Sex is that physical act of self gift from which
life is formed. SEX IS LOVE! But only if it is done correctly. You see for
love to be possible it has to be free, hence God gave us the ability to
dislove him, and we did, and the world has been screwed up ever since. But
if we have sex correctly we are actually entering into the image of God,
prophecying his nature, preparing for heaven, and in a special way entering
into the trinity.
This is why. In sexual union the man gives himself to the way, he
initiates the gift of love, the woman recieves the man into herself, gives
herself completly to the mission of the man, which is love, and from that
union a third proceeds. The scriptures have revealed to us that The father
forever gives himself to the father, the son forever recieves the father and
gives himself back to the father, and from that union the Spirit proceeds.
Sex is the image of God, but is sex is made to be love, we cannot use
eachother in it, the man cannot use the woman for his sexual pleasure, not
can the woman manipulate the man for her emotional gratification, but theymust
freely give and receive trusted that the other wishes to freely give
themselves to the first.
You see, you cannot even get into the body without getting into the
mystery of God revealed to us in his revelation, and his revelation says it
is also revealed through the body. This is primerily whypre-marital sex is
wrong, because the sexual union is a fullfillment and recommitment of the
marriage vows, geeze, it makes sense that if you haven't made the vows you
shouldn't be giving sex, right?
God is truly beautiful, and when the scriptures tell us blessed are
the pure in heart for they shall see God, think about what purity is. Purity
is being able to see the body as the revelation of the mystery of God. We
must understand purity of heart then in context with the words of Christ, and
Christ is the same as messiah, meaning annointed one.
Christ said you have heard shall do not commit adultery, but I say if
you even look at a woman with lust in your eyes you have already committed
adultery in your heart. That is impurity of heart. And if impurity of heart
is lusting, purity of heart is loving! If we understand this correctly we
will see that the pure in heart will see God in and through the body!
We will see God because God took on human form, and he became man to
save us from our sins because the scriptures tell us that if we do not believe
in Jesus we stand condemned already, and Jesus is from the Hebrew Yeshua (or
Jeshua, or Yahshua, or Joshua) which means the salvation of Yawey, and Yawey
means I am who am. The scriptures tell us that Jesus was named such because
he came to save the earth from sin and more than reunite us with God. And
so if you trust in Jesus you will not be comdemned, but if you do not you
stand condemned already. Why is that? Because we broke God's laws. Both
you and I are evil, we have disloved eachother through lieing making us liars,
stealing, making us theifs, and lusting, making us adulterors of heart. We
have not held God as the highest in our lives, making us idioloters. If God
is just he cannot just wave our punishment, but must let us suffer the eternal
and fair punishment for transgressing an infite God, and transgressing an
infinite God deserves infinite punishment.
But God being love did not want that, and he himself came to earth to
suffer the infinite punishment for all of the infinites of our sin. That is
why if we do not trust in Jesus we stand condemned already, because our sin
has already condemned us, and it is only through the blood of the lamb, Jesus
Christ that we are saved. He has bought you, now may you experience his
redemption.
If you do not believe in this God, you are wrong. You may tell me to
be sensitive, but chances are that you built a god in your own image, instead
of worshipping the God you were built in the image of. There is only one God
and he revealed himself to us through the scriptures, and has ordained for
us to seek him through the body.
PRAISED BE JESUS CHRIST NOW AND FOREVER
I'll share with you this - I read all you said and it simply washes through me without any personal context. How can this be? Well, I suspect you'll feel the same kind of disconnection to my summary of being an atheist, which is... You can't fake believing in something. You either feel a connection, or experience faith, or you don't. Even if I wanted to accept Jesus as my savior by head would be saying, "Fake". I might fool others but I could never fool myself. The whole concept of a god is a non-starter for me. See, there is no common ground except that we can both be happy we aren't the other person.
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