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Grex Photography Item 56: Medium format photography
Entered by eprom on Wed Apr 21 20:46:58 UTC 2004:

I was at school today and stumbled onto a showing from a Hasselblad rep.
I got to play with a medium format film, panoramic and , digital leaf
& polaroid backs Hasselblads.

But I was thinking - showing Hasselblads to community college students is
sorta like a car dealer letting a homeless person test drive a Ferrari.

here's the polaroid that I took:

http://members.triton.net/eprom/hasselblad.jpg

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#1 of 10 by eprom on Fri Apr 23 01:40:09 2004:

I've been searchign around the web and have found some
Hasselblad knock-offs.

Kiev makes the Kiev 88 which looks almost identical to the 
Hasselblad 503CW's. Arax does a modification of the Kiev 88
and calls it a ARAX-88.

for the academic pricing under the HERO (Hasselblad Education
Rewards Offer) the prices are as followed for some of the major
components:

V-system 
501CM kit (+film mag & 80mm lens)               $2414
501CW (body only)                               $1462
D-flash 40 TTL/OTF                              $368
PME-45 (45 deg prism with metering)             $1182
PM-45 (without metering)                        $810
Polaplus film mag (polaroid back?)              $315

(501CM) $2414 + (PME-45) $1182                  =$3576

vs Kiev:

KIEV 88CB kit (80mm lens & film back)           $625
KIEV 88 kit (without mirror lock-up)            $475
KIEV 88swc kit (Kiev88 + 30mm f3.5)             $775
45-deg prism finder                             $125
45-deg finder w/TTL metering                    $145
45-deg finder w/TTL spot metering               $225
Polaroid back                                   $275

(KIEV 88CB)  $625 + (45 TTL spot) $225           =$850

The ARAX is even cheaper:

(ARAX-CM-MLU) $629 + (upgrade TTL spot) $70     =$699

http://www.hasselblad.com/
http://www.kievusa.com/
http://araxfoto.com/


#2 of 10 by eprom on Wed May 26 05:03:28 2004:

I almost bought a Mamiya 645 1000s off eBay this morning. I had my finger on
the re-bid button, but at the last minute I decided against it. At $350 it
was a bargain. I'm suffering from non-buyers remorse. :(


#3 of 10 by eprom on Fri Jun 11 06:48:10 2004:

I decided against getting a cheap Kiev after reading about all the 
problems associated with it. The Hasselblad was never really an option
price wise. The Bronica's and Rollei failed to impress me much.

If I was going to do medium format I didn't want a TLR or a rangefinder.
6x7 is waaay too big and heavy. 6x6 is a waste of film for me because of 
cropping. Eventually I decided to go with a Mamiya 645. A changable back
was a must. These criterias eliminated everything except the Mamiya Super,
Pro, and Pro TL.

I don't plan on doing TTL flash photography, so the Pro TL would have
been an extra expense. The cost difference between the super and pro was
not much so I decided to go with the newer model - The Mamiya 645 Pro.

I didn't like any of the "kits", So I decided to buy the each of the pieces
individually. Suprisingly it hasn't been much more than it would have been
buying the a complete pre-assembled used system. I bought all the pieces 
off of eBay. Luckily everything i've bought so far has been in excellent or
near-mint condition.

                                        avg cost new    eBay
----------------------------------------------------------------
Mamiya 645 Pro (body only)              $1359.95        $375
Mamiya 150mm f3.8 leaf-shutter lens     $1945           $219.50
film back and 120 insert                $532            $165.50

                        Total           $3836.95        $760

So i'm almost done. Alls left is a waist-level finder (approx $100-$150)
and a neck strap. I can live without the motorized grip and metered prism 
(I'll use a light meter). I plan to eventually buy a polariod back and an
extra film back but that will be much later. I'm really glad everyone is 
jumping ship to digital, because I doubt i'd have been able to buy this 
stuff at this price even a year ago. 


#4 of 10 by eprom on Fri Jun 11 07:02:38 2004:

oh...the reason I decided against buying the Mamiya 1000s back a few weeks
ago, was because it didn't have a changeable back and I wasn't crazy about 
the 80mm lens it came with (80mm is equiv to 50mm in 35mm).


#5 of 10 by eprom on Fri Aug 27 22:23:22 2004:

Update.

I bought a second changable back (one for B&W and one for Slide film),
a f2.8 80mm lense and a flash bracket to be used with the leaf shutter 
lense.

http://members.thegeekgroup.org/~eprom/LJ/flashbracket.jpg

I'm currently using my digital camera as a light meter, but eventually
i'll like to get a metered prism to cut down on the amount of stuff
I haul around with me.

I ran two rolls of color film through the camera so far. The first roll 
came out so-so. I was using my Minolta SLR for metering. With the 2nd
roll, I used my digital, which gives more accurate metering, especially
with tricky exposures.

I've been using my digital to "scan" my slide film, and stitching them
together in Photoshop. Luckily, I found out the community college I go 
to, has a Nikon coolscan 8000, so hopefully I can get a real scan of my 
film. 
 
http://members.triton.net/eprom/tigers.jpg (112 kb)


#6 of 10 by gull on Mon Aug 30 14:35:06 2004:

I've got an old Luna Pro reflected/incident light meter.  I've been
reluctant to part with it because it's such a cool looking piece of old
equipment, but realistically I'm never going to use it.  If you're
interested, make me an offer via email.  It does require two mercury
batteries that are no longer available in the U.S., but two of these
adapters should do the job: http://www.criscam.com/mr9.htm


#7 of 10 by eprom on Mon Aug 30 18:42:18 2004:

Thanks for the offer, but I have a Minolta (flash, incident, reflected) meter.
I just don't like it. and it's still another piece of equipment i'd have to
carry. The reason i'd eventually like to get a prism is that it can "talk"
to the body and i'd be able to use apperture priority.


#8 of 10 by gull on Mon Aug 30 21:00:56 2004:

Okay.  I'll probably eBay it, then.


#9 of 10 by eprom on Thu Sep 23 23:42:53 2004:

I spent a few hours scanning my 35mm and MF film. Scanning at 3000ppi takes
forever. I think I'm gonna have to scan at 1200-1500ppi from now on to save
time. The difference is probably negligible after resizing it.

http://members.thegeekgroup.org/~eprom/film/ypsi.jpg (151 kb)
http://members.thegeekgroup.org/~eprom/film/tigers.jpg (109 kb)

I saved these scans at 800x600 72 dpi and around 50-60 quality in Photoshop.
For some reason, they are quite big for such small size. 



#10 of 10 by ball on Fri Jan 7 10:00:55 2005:

I should buy a Seagull :-)

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