Is it possible to truthfully say that no statement can be proven with 
absolute certitude? 

What does this mean?  

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This is the sort of question that only serves the purpose of twisting one's mi
mind into a pretzel.

What's wrong with that?  

Really, though, what do people think about #0?  Does it mean that at least
one statement *can* be proven with absolute certitude?  

'tis better to ask whether or not anything *absoulute* exits.

The only thing that can be proven with an absolute certitude is that nothing
(Except this statement) can be proven with an absolute certitude.

Can you prove that?  (Seriously.)

Give it a sec.

It sucks dick

It seems to me that the statement is a contradiction within itself because
if no statement can be proven with absolute certitude, then the statement
itself cannot be true, by its own saying.

Example:  If you say that "All generalizations are false"  then it, itself
        is false because it is a generalization.

does this make sense?

Yes, yes it does.

No, the staement had a built in exception.

what is the exception?  Itself?  It still has the contradiction.  How
can it exclude itself?  The saying proves itself wrong.

all of you read the "eat your heart out, Spock" item if you want to be...uh...
further confused on this topic

It said..
"There are no statements that can be proven with an absolute certaintude,
except this one." What's that problem?

the problem is proving that what I say is incorrect.

So groove, is the statement in #0 false?  Can a statement be proven
with absolute certitude?

I thought I have proven (not according to selena) that statement in #0
was false.... However, I did not prove that a statement can be proven with
absolute certitude.

So will we never know if a statement can be proven with absolute 
certitude?

I probably won't be able to prove it.  Maybe someone else can.

the only proof here so far is mine in #8.  Maybe someone should disprove
me?
        I'm waiting.

already been done. wake up.

where?  I do not see anything... just a repeat of #0... with a qualifier.

Are all statements that cannot be proven with absolute certitude
necessarily false? 

Can your "proof" be proven with absolute certitude?  

not all statements that aren't proven are necessarily false.

Can it be proven false with absolute certitude?

I did not say "aren't".  I said "cannot".  I see a big difference 
there.  

So, are all statements that *cannot* be proven with absolute 
certitude necessarily false?

sorry.
My opinion is that all statements that cannot be proven with
absolute certitude are not necessarily false.

Just becasuse 200 years ago, we couldn't prove the existance of 
quarks doesn't mean that it was a false idea.

A different idea...
        If we cannot *prove* a statement absolutely true or false, what
can we say about all statements... that since they can't be proven true
or false that we should just desregard them?  Do these statements have
any significance?

Groove, are there any statements that can be proven with absolute 
certitude?

pardon my ignorance, but I guess paradoxes were solved more than 2 centuries 
before. Today we wont find any mathematician working on paradoxes.
Each paradox is a problem in multi-valued logical functions.
For example, "I always speak lies" is a paradox in binary-logic or
the 2-state logic but it has been shown that it is not a paradox
in 4-state logic. I recommend everyone to take a book on multi-valued
logic and browse through it.

Within a system, you cannot prove that system flawless.  If the system is 
flawed, then your proof is flawed. 

You need to use a more advanced system to prove a simple system flawless.

But what if the advanced system is flawed?

So does #29 really say anything?  

I'm thinking that I can't think of any statement that I can absolutely prove,
but just because I can't think of any of any absolutely proveable statements,
that doesn't mean that there aren't any.  

I wonder how a proof could be constructed.  

Then again, here's a thought:  I exist.  Does that disprove that statement,
or is it possible that I don't exist?  

Hmm . . . 

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In my belief, the reason why nothing can be proven with absolute certitude
is because nothing really stays the same.  Look at what we are.  Humans.
We live in an ever growing, ever forming environment.  what was true 5
minitues ago isn't true now.  Look at the word: certitude.  It was created
by man.  Man who was created by this atmosphere we live in.  It's like a child
saying his mother is male.  There is no suck thing as certitude.  Believe it.

Excuse my spelling mistake, "There is no such thing as certitude."

This statement is must be true of itself:

Something exists.

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