Hey guys, there are other card games out there that signify RPG's pleez enter
stuff on that type of stuff in this item!!! Ideas include, Jyhad (soon to be
renamed Vampire: The Eternal Struggle), the great Dalmuti, on the edge, etc.
Thanx!! Tell us all you know, we'd just LUV to hear!!!

83 responses total.

anyone play jyhad?

On the Edge is a gresat card game (based on the rpg Over the Edge)
It really helps the flavor of the card game to have read the rpg,
but it's not necessary.  One of the really neat thngs about the
game is the goal is not to kill your opponent, but rather to 
gather more influence than the other players so your conspiracy
takes over.

yeah, I guess, but it seems like another magic spinnoff using different words,
like crank, pop and flip...

There are going to be similarities between card games, especially magic,
no matter what happens. People (ie companies) always want to cash in
on whaterver success someone else has going.

Hey, who doesn't?

That's true. How many hunting grounds are there in Vampire: the Eternal
struggle?

re: #6:  I think there's one Hunting Ground per clan, though I won't swear
by it.  I've only played Jyhad twice, but it strikes me as a fairly fun
game.  Because it's so politically-oriented (i.e. the players strike bargains
with each other, etc.) the more people you have playing, the more fun it is.
The problem is, there aren't enough people playing here in mid-michigan
(Alma, Mt. Pleasant area) to make it worth my while to invest in the cards.
I think the game is much more balanced than Magic--that is, there aren't
one or two cards that'll guarantee you'll win.  And I think the artwork is
in many ways superior to Magic--I would be much more into collecting Jyhad
simply for the art than I would Magic.

I think the Star Trek game is pretty cool myself.  Again, the goal isn't to
kill your opponent, but rather to score the most points.  I guess I like it 
most because I'm a pretty big Trek fan and I really like the pictures
on the cards.  The problem I have with the Trek game is that, of the 363
cards, 121 are commin, 121 are uncommon, and 121 are rare (and I can't
believe I just spelled common wrong)...so it's a difficult prospect to get all
the cards in the game.  

Anyone played Illuminati:  New World Order?  I'm most curious to see how that
and On the Edge are played...nobody around here sells those games (in fact
the only card games we can get up here are Jyhad, Magic, and Trek).  And
the new Star Wars game is due soon...again, something I'd be interested
in as much for the pictures as for the game itself.

I play Jyhad a little

Try riders hobby shops, in ann arbor or elswhere, they sell all those AND Jyhad
at half normal price, I have a really cool deck, and I don't think caitiff has
a hunting ground, I want more traditions if you've got em...

On the Edge IS Magic.

Re:#10  You've obviously not played On the Edge

agreed they are NOT the sa,e
er same

They're real durn close though!!!! But there are a couple different rules like
ranks and files, victory and pull, but the basic concept is the same.

I still beg to differ. Magic is a battle between 2 (or more) wizards to
wipe eachother out ( or drive eachother away at least). OtE is a 
(sometimes) shadowy game of subterfuge and intrigue between several
conspiracy groups to see who will rule the world, from the shadows.
That's on the conceptual level. From a mechanical level your're right,
there are a lot of similarities between the two.

That's just story, they represent the same thing, but with different words, If
not, what about jyhad, where almost EVERYTHING is the same....

RE:#15  What about Jyhad where everything is the same compared to 
what ?  I don't follow your statement.

Is Jyhad really any good?  I've considered starting, but when I look
at the card lists, it just looks like politics.  

RE#:17 It will depend on your personal interests. I think it's a
fun game, provided you have enough time. A single game ( with more
than 3 players ) can take several hours.  Politics are involved
because they're involved heavily in the Vampire world. THere is 
direct combat conflict as well, and enough cards to slant your
decks to whichever end you want.

What do you mean by whichever end you want?  Is there more than
one way to win?  I've heard that the point is to "suck the blood
of your opponents".  Is this true?

I mean you can slant your deck to a combat oriented or a political/intrigue
oriented deck. You don't literally suck the blood of your opponents blood.
abstract system of blood counters which represent the amount of influence
and power you are able to use to overcome your opponents.

re#17  not reallly nowhere near as good as mtg re#19 yes the pictures are
really gross.

WotC's latest game, Rage, is out.  It's based on White Wolf's Werewolf RPG,
much as Jyhad is based on Vampire: the Masquerade.  The Rage art is fairly
cool, I think, though it looks a little more complicated than Jyhad (on the
surface, anyway).

BTW, anyone here collect Jyhad?  I have a friend who is 13 cards short of
a set (most of the 13 are rares) and he wants to finish it before it gets
changed to vampire: the eternal struggle.

Yup, me and Baker do.

I am JON!!! not baker!

AHEM!!!!! Me and Baker BOY do.

Okay...here is the list of Jyhad cards my friend needs.  If you have any
of these, please mail me here or at JohnstonB@alma.edu and I will tell you
extra stuff he has to offer in return.

Anarch Trouble Maker
Vampiric Disease
Malkavian Time Auction
Knights
Stashers
Sengir Dagger
Cat Burglary
Entrancement
Magic of the Smith
Praxis Seizure: Boston
Praxis Seizure:  Seattle
Toreador Justicar
Business Pressure

he's willing to do just about anything to get these last few cards before
the switch. 

thanks

I have a toreador justicar.  none of the others though.

I have Anarch troublemaker, Toreador Justicar and a Malkavian Time Auction
thatt's it.   :-(

(If it matters to anyone) Rage was put out by White Wolf, not WotC.

Who cares? I'd rather play the *real* game- you know, the one that requires
dice and an imagination....

Adania, my sister is going to play RAGE the card game.

what is rage anyway?
>

Rage (n)  1. Fellings of extreme, overwhelming anger.
2. the attribute of a werewolf (garou) that allows shapeshifting & multiple
  actions per combat round
3. A card game, published by White Wolf, based on "Werewolf - The Apocalypse"

On the Edge is great; while the base mechanics (crank=tap, pop=destroy, save=
regen, draw=draw) are similar to magic, the gameplay is WAY different.  In 
Magic, as loong as ou are good, the actual game usually ends once you finish
putting your deck together.  As for the rest, well, there are some minutae, 
but the luck of the draw and the quality of the deck have far more effect
on the game than the skills of the individual players (anyone who has handed a
 a newbie a white wenie and been helples to prevent the eventual destruction 
can tell you that).
        On the other hand, in on the edge, characters are doing far more than
just sitting as a roadblock beetween other player's characters and you, or
attcking them; they are the one and only key to winning the game.  This makes 
the differences between the rules of On the Edge and Magic (structure, one 
attack per player per turn, can crank characters as soon as you call them, 
many cards which allow you to crank charaacters as if they were yours if 
left uncranked, flipping(out of play for a turn, comes back cranked), a 
multiplicity and overlap of "colors", gear, etc) of crutial importance, since
there's ofteh nte qutestino of whether to leave a high-defense=power(DP) but
also influence (you know, that thing that wins you the game?) generating 
character uncranked for blocking, crank them for influence, or use one of their
special abilities.  And then there's the question of what to attack, and what
to leave open, since ou opponent can in the same turn bring out a heavy hitter
and use him against your best character.  It's far more common for a game of
On the Edge to be resolved by tactics, rather than luck or deck design (Though
that certainly has an extremely large part, but unlike Magic, it's almost
impossible to design a playable deck that ignores tactics).  
        On top of that, there's the OMNI leage, a way to get into the game 
and play fairly without buying more than a single starter.  Cards only enter
or your leave your set by ante (set ante, so you don't lose essential cards
unless you are willing to risk them, but you can negotiate with your opponent
for what the ante will be), with your deck containing as little as 40 of those.
Central organiziation? What central organization?

Would you believe there's even a Christian card game "Redemtion" out?

Yep.  Even has a "Son of God" card.

It would not surprise meif Redemption became the most popular card game where
I live, a town that has been nicknamed "Buckle of the Bible Belt"

Although it's not a card game TSR released Dragon Dice at Gen-Con.
It's a collectible dice game. Very easy and simple to learn and
play and a lot of fun. Keep an eye out for it in the stores.

I've heard about that.  Have you played it; is it any good?

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