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Grex Oathbound Item 3: Friendship
Entered by anne on Wed Aug 24 17:56:53 UTC 1994:

        This cf was started with a semblence of a subject.  I'd like to
explore that here, in this item.  Friendships- I would be lost without
my she'endrea, my soul sister, sun.  How about the rest of you?  Do you
have one best friend, or a whole group of friends- which do you think are 
better? ie is it better to have one best friend, or a whole group of friends?
What do you look for in a friend?  How do you define friendship? I think
that's enough for now....


1269 responses total.



#1 of 1269 by gerund on Wed Aug 24 18:01:26 1994:

This WOULD have to come up now, wouldn't it?   :\
Well, i'll try to collect my thoughts and say something soon that hopefully
won't have me embarrassed or misunderstood...


#2 of 1269 by gerund on Wed Aug 24 18:02:33 1994:

Actually I can direct you to the Writing Conf.. Item... 89 I believe.
It isn't my definitive statement, but... well.. It's a start.


#3 of 1269 by brighn on Thu Aug 25 03:54:25 1994:

My wife is my bestest friend in the whole wide world, followed by my
coven sibs (in some particular order that wouldn't be polite to go into
here) and my kitty cat.


#4 of 1269 by kami on Thu Aug 25 05:02:14 1994:

Friends are among the most valued things in my life.  I never had enough
when I was young.  I like to build my own "family".  Right now I have a 
super one beginning here, which may be a problem as I will have to leave
in about two years when Michael, my husband, finishes grad school: theres
no work for him here.  He is a better and better friend to me.  Once.
(oops, that was supposed to be a comma.  Start over. )
Once, my best friend and I did not see each other for 3 years because

of the distance.  We always knew where the other was and if we were

(I hate telnet) each ok, even when we did not talk for a number of
months.  We have a special magical relationship, and usually one of us
will call when the other needs help or just to talk.  Actually, one of
the few times I have been jealous was when Michael started to develop a
friendship with C. that kind of had different "rules" than what she and
I have, and it seemed to get in the way.  Now they have their own
friendship, separate from hers and mine, so it works ok.

Some of my best friends and teachers have not been human: animals, places,
"people without bodies" (ghosts?  spirits? ideas?).

I can hav a "hero" without being blind to their faults.  I like friendship
to be reciprocal: each to have strengths and both offer and accept help.


#5 of 1269 by facelift on Thu Aug 25 05:55:48 1994:

I like me a lot. 


#6 of 1269 by vishnu on Thu Aug 25 09:42:22 1994:

"I get high with a little help from my friends."


#7 of 1269 by dang on Thu Aug 25 17:45:43 1994:

Anne, why are you implying that the two are mutally exclusive?  I have a
best friend, flem, with whom I am so close that we often say the same
thing at the same time.  I have a so, eeyore, whom I love dearly, but in a
different way than I love Greg.  I also have many very close friends.  In
no way does having a "best friend" exclude having a group of close friends.


#8 of 1269 by anne on Thu Aug 25 18:58:57 1994:

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#9 of 1269 by anne on Thu Aug 25 19:07:41 1994:

Okay, let's try again!

dang- I wasn't staying my opinion above- just asking for other people's
opinions.  If you don't think that they should be, or are, mutually
exclusive, then that's your opinion.

As for my opinion, I have two very best friends, sun, and gerund- both
of whom I value beyond measure.  But, I also have started a larger
circle of friends, people with whom I'm very close.  So I don't think
the two are mutually exclusive.




#10 of 1269 by arwen on Thu Aug 25 22:10:56 1994:

My best friend is Cai...we have known each other for eons!!
Well, at least 18+ years.  We always know when the
other one is hurting or happy.  There are no secrets
between us.  Terrie is my lover and my life.  We are very
close, but Cai is something different...non-sexual but
very intense.


#11 of 1269 by alfee on Fri Aug 26 01:46:28 1994:

I have had my best friend, Mary, for 15 years.  We grew up together and 
shared each others' childhood losses, parental divorce (mine), great times,
and tears.  We did not have to be fake ar strong in front of each other. 
She knows most things about me, and I about her.  We have other friends, but
I think I am closer to her than almost anyone.  Brent is my fiance, my
confidant, and my resident clown...I am his lover and caregiver at times,, and 
we are very close.  I also have treasured friendships with my residents.  I 
am proud to claim a dear friend who is 102 years old (and with an excellent 
memory, too!)  Older people make good friends..they have seen everything and 
tend not to prejudge people.  And the stories could fill libraries.


#12 of 1269 by facelift on Fri Aug 26 02:24:50 1994:

ahhh....the politics of time
What?
I don't think I have a very close friend, not someone who I can pour my
heart out to, anyways.


#13 of 1269 by celeste on Fri Aug 26 21:26:52 1994:

Unfortunately with me- I've always had transient friendships. I become close
friends with those immediately involved with my life at a particular point in
time.  But if I don't see someone on a regular basis, I lose touch...


#14 of 1269 by sun on Fri Aug 26 21:46:24 1994:

There is only one person I trust unconditionally, and that is Anne/Kethry.
12 years, many fights, but I still love her, and she is my sister.  It is hard
though, being that clost to someone.  It tends to let your decisions be
biast, but you must learn that better for now is not better for later, and if
you are going o t last, then you must try, and understand...AND keep in touch


#15 of 1269 by arwen on Fri Aug 26 22:30:17 1994:

Yes, Celeste...I have many "of the moment" good friends.  Cai is someone
special because she has been here.  I just heard form her.  You will
all be glad to know that she will be here for the weekend and will 
be at the Ren Faire on Sunday (Arwen is dragging in info from another
conference in a shameless synth plug).


#16 of 1269 by celeste on Fri Aug 26 22:38:35 1994:

I do have a few close friends, though, who share the same slant on life's rich
pageant...


#17 of 1269 by anne on Fri Aug 26 22:50:46 1994:

arwen- shamelss synth plugs are allowed here.  As long as we can plug there...
hee hee




#18 of 1269 by sun on Sat Aug 27 00:19:03 1994:

Plug?  Plug WHAT she'endrea!  this is NOT the Sexuality conference! 

<ROTFL!>


#19 of 1269 by anne on Sat Aug 27 00:37:54 1994:

Oh, I'm so sorry, I won't do it again!




#20 of 1269 by sun on Sat Aug 27 04:34:49 1994:

Lair....you know you want to ....<GRIN>


#21 of 1269 by arwen on Sat Aug 27 15:21:33 1994:

Now that was a shameless sex plug where by the way there has 
been some discussion of sex on the moon.
<Nightstar grins and fades into the background>


#22 of 1269 by celeste on Sat Aug 27 18:01:22 1994:

weightless fun...


#23 of 1269 by facelift on Sat Aug 27 22:03:16 1994:

You guys are so grody.
Why can't you be clean and good like me?!
<Now back to the nonsense>


#24 of 1269 by brighn on Sun Aug 28 01:49:44 1994:

<brighn rubs his eyes and reads facelift's message again>


#25 of 1269 by sun on Sun Aug 28 12:49:32 1994:

Amazing, isn't it, brighn?


#26 of 1269 by dang on Mon Aug 29 00:37:25 1994:

I don't know.  Maybe he's possesed...


#27 of 1269 by bhelliom on Mon Aug 29 01:38:01 1994:

Maybe?????


#28 of 1269 by arwen on Mon Aug 29 03:44:46 1994:

If he is of Ancar's ilk.......there is no maybe about it!
,


#29 of 1269 by anne on Mon Aug 29 15:51:27 1994:

<keth seconds arwen's emotion>



#30 of 1269 by facelift on Mon Aug 29 20:11:06 1994:

Great. First I'm like a guy who gets gritty butt disease and falls of a cliff.
Now not only am I this guy, but I'm from his elk? I'm getting pissed.


#31 of 1269 by sun on Tue Aug 30 04:24:46 1994:

Would you please refrain from such language, Alex...PLEASE...it is
getting a little (as in A LOT) anyoing.


#32 of 1269 by facelift on Tue Aug 30 06:48:36 1994:

d'oh, I made them mad again. I didn't know that was bad language. I'm sorry.


#33 of 1269 by bhelliom on Tue Aug 30 22:13:59 1994:

No. Just repetive and VERY childish because that very fact.


#34 of 1269 by gerund on Wed Aug 31 10:22:38 1994:

Friendship is what you have left when everything else fails.
And right now in my life I guess that would leave me with friendships.


#35 of 1269 by arwen on Wed Aug 31 23:46:10 1994:

Gerund Word...friendships is what fills up the holes
that life leaves behind in its wake.
Never forget that friendship is the cement that
holds us togtether.


#36 of 1269 by celeste on Wed Aug 31 23:58:31 1994:

"Everybody hurts...take comfort in your friends..."


#37 of 1269 by lestat on Thu Sep 1 05:25:19 1994:

Friends are more important to me than any girl ever could be.  I have friends
in many places, and I consider them all to be very special and I would never
trade them for anything.  Friends are the ones who stand by you no matter
if they think you are right or wrong.  Friends love you unconditionally.
They are never judgemetal.  I hold ALL my friends sacred and consider them
very close to my heart.  You all know who you are.  *Including the ones who
will never read this).
                                        The Crow


#38 of 1269 by arwen on Thu Sep 1 05:26:40 1994:

Sometimes friends are stupid and judgemental, but they will
always say they are sorry.  I am sorry, lestat.


#39 of 1269 by brighn on Thu Sep 1 06:04:18 1994:

Crow, I disagree.  Friendship, for me, is based on trust.  Part of trust
(for me) is telling someone when they're wrong, as well as when they're
right.  I think there are conditions on friendship; I can't see a
permanent relationship where there aren't at least boundaries on 
the friendship.  I wish life was as simple as you describe, but it
isn't.  (I know I'm miscommunicating what I'm trying to say, so be
understanding in responses.)


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