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Grex Music2 Item 315: The Sixth Napster Item [linked]
Entered by polygon on Sun Jun 24 02:40:27 UTC 2001:

The ongoing discussion of intellectual property, freedom of expression,
electronic media, corporate control, and evolving technology continues
into the summer.

151 responses total.



#1 of 151 by ceyx on Sun Jun 24 08:54:30 2001:

Well what can you do? I loved it, but normally if it's to good to be true then
it normally is.


#2 of 151 by micklpkl on Mon Jun 25 20:17:58 2001:

From the latest Roxio (EZ CD Creator) e-mailing:

Apparently some of our customers have misinterpreted our new partnership

with EMI. This is somewhat understandable in that there has been nothing

less than a "holy war" being waged between content owners and some high
profile internet entrepreneurs.

The fact is, however, that Roxio in no way intends to restrict
functionality, or obstruct the free and easy burning of content. The
EMI/Roxio deal is about enabling -- not disabling.

Roxio is hardly waving a white flag here. We have pro-actively fought
and lobbied the labels to allow more burning functionality, not less.
Our customers will continue to be able to burn all the content they burn

now (regardless of the source--CD collection, mp3 files, downloads,
etc.). Roxio's mantra is "Burn Everything". We have no intention of
deviating from this fundamental promise to our customer.

We think the major significance of the EMI/Roxio partnership is that one

of the largest record companies in the world has publicly recognized
that digital distribution doesn't work without burning. This is a huge
win for the consumer in getting closer to delivering on the promise of
the "celestial jukebox".

Thank you,

Chris Gorog, President and CEO, roxio

***********

Also in the same e-mail, it was announced that there is now an update to EZ
CD Creator 4.02 that "fixes" the Audio Recognition feature that "broke" when
CDDB threw a spanner in the works. 


#3 of 151 by krj on Tue Jun 26 05:07:00 2001:

I tend to use this item as a running weblog for news stories and essays
which I find of interest; hope everyone else isn't too bored.

http://www.newmediamusic.com/articles/NM01060306.html
"Don't Let The New DRM Standards End Up In A Chorus of Disapproval"
 
I can never be certain if author Larry Powers at New Media Music is 
utterly brilliant or just blowing really pretty smoke rings.  
In today's essay Powers talks about how the music industry in 
the past has created "the illusion of ownership" for LP/tape/CD 
consumers, and how the DRM systems threaten to destroy that illusion.
But, according to Powers, the labels don't grasp that when they 
trash the consumers' illusion of ownership -- with song files which 
expire after 30 days, or which have a limited number of plays --
they will damage the value of their intellecutal property holdings.
Powers cites the first DiVX DVD system, the one which involved 
players which had to phone home for authorization to play the disc,
as an example of what might be in store for the music industry
if they continue on their present course.


#4 of 151 by krj on Tue Jun 26 05:18:03 2001:

http://musicdish.com/mag/?id=4017
"Dear Artists, Take Control Now While You Can"
 
The hook quotes economist David Friedman:
 "Mark Twain made a lot of his money lecturing, not selling books. His books
 were more or less promotional tools. In the future, creative people will have
 to accept a similar business model. Current copyright laws simply won't be
 enforceable..." (paraphrased) 

The article also mentions a Chinese artist-management agency which 
has thrown in the towel on CD piracy, which is rampant in Asia.
The agency has now adopted a policy of manufacturing just enough 
CDs to get the interest of the pirates; the agency then lets the pirates
assume the costs of manufacturing and distributing the discs, which 
the agency now regards as promotional tools for concerts.

Musicdish.com is somewhat amateurish, but I have found their essays 
worth checking in for.

----------

I had another article which discusses the original Napster, and its 
file sharing successors, as the only consumer-driven online distribution
system to date, but I've lost the reference...


#5 of 151 by krj on Tue Jun 26 05:22:48 2001:

     (((  Summer Agora #22 now linked as Music conference #315.
          Previous items in this series can be found in the Music
          conference: items 240, 279, 280, 294 & 304.            )))


#6 of 151 by krj on Wed Jun 27 17:50:56 2001:

I stuck a response in the music conference (item:music,293) about the 
financial difficulties and possible bankruptcy of Tower Records.
Requoting from the L.A. Times: 
 
"Music merchants say sales are down 5% to 10% for the first six 
 months of the year..." 

The LA Times story mentions lots of causes for Tower's problems,
and for the general fall in music sales.  Curiously, Napster is 
never mentioned.

One wag somewhere (mp3.com/news, maybe?) argues that the falloff in 
music sales has accelerated as Napster has been fettered with 
filters, and as all measurements report that less and less music is 
being traded through the Napster system.  So, he argues, this shows
that Napster actually was helping drive sales of music. 

(That argument is probably about as valid as the argument that 
Napster was damaging sales in 2000...)


#7 of 151 by danr on Wed Jun 27 18:44:13 2001:

Could it be, perhaps, that music is getting just too damn expensive? 
I'm not a big music buff like many of you, but how many CDs can the 
average person buy at $20 a pop?


#8 of 151 by slynne on Wed Jun 27 19:44:06 2001:

I buy less than 10 cd's a year and so far this year have gotten over 50 
free ones from work. 


#9 of 151 by polygon on Wed Jun 27 21:24:30 2001:

It has been years since I have purchased a new CD in a store -- mainly
because the prices are so high.  I have never used Napster.

I do occasionally buy CDs from the artists directly, at concerts.

I think the last CD I bought from Tower was a cutout, and it was at least
seven years ago.


#10 of 151 by senna on Wed Jun 27 21:49:29 2001:

I have never used Napster (and the only time I ever downloaded mp3s at all
was a couple of years ago when I downloaded perhaps 20 live Tool songs not
available on any cd.  They were deleted some time ago).  I buy cds a lot less
than I used to.  I think part of the problem is that music isn't as good. 
Sales boomed during the early alternative period, when not only grunge but
also rap produced large volumes of sales, but nothing new has moved in to take
its place.  Electronica was hyped as the next alternative explosion several
years ago (with much discussion of how record execs were packing electronic
dance clubs the way they used to pack Seattle shows in the late 80s and early
90s), but nothing came of it.

I've puchased two new cds this year, both from bands formed and popularized
in the early 90s.  The difference?  Tool and Radiohead have both gotten a lot
better as they've gone along.  Few bands mature musically the way they have.


#11 of 151 by dbratman on Thu Jun 28 05:55:02 2001:

resp: 3 - I went and read this article, and I'm still not sure what the 
authors mean by "the illusion of ownership" in regard to old/current 
practices of selling recordings.  What illusion?

resp: 4 - David Friedman's clever notion that authors will live by 
lecturing is not a new one: I think it came from Faith Popcorn 
earlier.  But it's fallacious.  Some authors lecture well; some don't, 
or dislike it so much that they'd give up authorship first.  There's a 
limit to how many lectures a practicing author can give and still 
write, which means that to live on it, the fees have to be high.  But 
I've heard a few high-paid lecturers meander on at conferences - John 
Perry Barlow was a notably ill-prepared example - and my willingness to 
pay big bucks to hear these people burble is strictly limited.


#12 of 151 by brighn on Thu Jun 28 13:54:47 2001:

My CD budget is around $100/month, which gets me about 7 CDs. I stopped
shopping at Tower when I moved out of Lansing, though that one went to shit
after Mark left anyway.


#13 of 151 by gull on Thu Jun 28 14:23:17 2001:

I buy the vast majority of my CDs used.


#14 of 151 by flem on Thu Jun 28 16:23:42 2001:

I apologize if these links aren't new here; I've not been following the
discussion.  They're about comic strips rather than online music, but the
argument applies to any content.  

part 1
http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/icst/icst-5/icst-5.html

part 2
http://www.thecomicreader.com/html/icst/icst-6/icst-6.html


#15 of 151 by brighn on Thu Jun 28 16:36:06 2001:

I've read part one, and I like -- but question -- the implication that, if
web-based art is provided at a fair price, people will stop macking it.
Napster (specifically referred to, visually) is, after all, a form of
shoplifting, vitually speaking... its users justify the behavior on the dual
grounds that (a) CDs cost too much and (b) too much of the money goes to
fatcat RIAA guys, but would the virtual shoplifting really stop if prices were
lower? Shareware has been around for years, and most shareware packages have
a reasonably priced registration fee (WinZip is, what, $20 or so?), but most
people I know (including myself) still don't pony up the dough (yes, I'm
admitting I'm a virtual shoplifter, too).

Of course, shareware continues because enough people pony up the registration
fees to make it worth the while of the developers... with the negligible
overhead involved in shareware distribution, especially on-line, the only
thing that money goes to is development time.


#16 of 151 by flem on Thu Jun 28 16:58:37 2001:

Read part 2, and perhaps his followup to the flame war that this apparently
started <pause for link-finding>:
http://www.scottmccloud.com/home/xtra/backlash.html
  He addresses just that issue.   Briefly, his response is that no, of course
it won't stop pirating, but it will make it less common, because 1) for the
average person, paying a small fee with a few clicks will be less trouble than
going through the effort to get it for free, and 2) people will be less
likely to go to the trouble of providing bandwidth, disk, and access to 
things just to save someone else the trouble of paying a few cents.  


#17 of 151 by brighn on Thu Jun 28 17:23:28 2001:

Ah, so, basically what I suggested in para 2 of #15, i.e., that pirating will
continue, but that *enough* people will pony up to make it worth the time,
and the artist will still wind up netting more than going through traditional
publication channels. I'm inclined to agree.


#18 of 151 by krj on Thu Jun 28 19:10:38 2001:

Here's a report claiming that Napster is about to disable the older, 
"free" versions of its user software, to force everyone to download
the new security-enhanced software.   The report goes on with 
an account of what the new Napster pricing system will be, and argues
that it is priced to be a certain failure in the market.

Mp3newswire.net is a kind of amateurish site, and I haven't seen this
stuff reconfirmed elsewhere, so you might take it with a grain of salt
for now.  However, this report does confirm my original speculation 
from back in February that Napster's fate was to become just a branding
for some minor variant on the BMG centralized download system which 
has already been rejected by the market.

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2001/napstersleep.html


#19 of 151 by krj on Thu Jun 28 20:49:53 2001:

Here's a mainstream media story on the simultaneous crash in both 
Napster users and CD sales, which I discussed in vague terms in resp:6 ::
 
http://www.latimes.com/business/cotown/20010620/t000051058.html

"The numbers raise the issue of whether Napster truly represented the 
doomsday for record companies that some industry executives predicted.
And they call into question the RIAA's contention that Napster would 
cause 'immeasurable' harm to the business."
 
..."Slumping sales may have more to do with a comparatively weak release
schedule, a stumbling national economy and the popularity of video games
and other competing forms of entertainment."


#20 of 151 by krj on Thu Jun 28 20:55:20 2001:

Ooops, forgot part of the article I wanted to quote:
"SoundScan research shows total music sales are down about 5.7% from
the same period last year, dragged down by giant drops in sales of the 
singles format and cassettes...
 
"The story with CDs is even more intriguing.  According to SoundScan, 
CD sales from January through March 4 were up 5.6% from the period a 
year earlier.   But for the period from March 5 -- just after Napster 
began removing copyrighted material from its service -- through June
122, CD sales were behind last year's numbers by 0.9%"   

I did not realize (1) the overall crash in music sales is concentrated in
singles and cassettes, and (2) that CD sales so closely correlated to 
the imposition of Napster filters.


#21 of 151 by brighn on Thu Jun 28 20:55:33 2001:

So far, 2001 has turned out mediocre musical product. The crashes could easily
be coincidental. They could also be anti-RIAA backlash by Napsterites... it
doesn't demonstrate (on that analysis) that Napster wasn't adversely affecting
Majors buisness, it would only demonstrate that the RIAA's handling of the
issue adversely affected Majors business (which it would... regardless of the
morality of Napster, the RIAA acted like Prime Bastards).

And none of it really changes the morality, ethics, or legality of Napster.
A clear proof that Napster was helping the Majors still wouldn't affect
whether it was moral, ethical, or legal a priori.


#22 of 151 by krj on Thu Jun 28 21:07:49 2001:

Actually it does reflect on the legal situation.  All of the legal 
fighting so far has been over a preliminary injunction; the argument 
for the preliminary injunction is that Napster was causing irreparable
harm to the record companies.   Napster has still not had its trial;
I have no idea at this point if Napster is *ever* going to have its 
trial.   

I propose that one way in which irreparable harm to the record companies
should have been apparent is in diminished sales.  The sales figures
we have now show a NEGATIVE correlation between Napster usage and CD
sales; thus no irreparable harm, thus there should have been no 
preliminary injunction.
 
Napster may still be liable for statutory or actual
damages for copyright infringement, but these damages alone do not 
warrant a preliminary injunction before the full trial.


#23 of 151 by brighn on Thu Jun 28 21:50:49 2001:

Mm... I'll grant that it does obviously impact on the irreparable harm issue.
I was think of the intellectual property issue, and had forgotten that that
wasn't the only (or even the major) part of the suit. My mistake.


#24 of 151 by senna on Thu Jun 28 22:09:26 2001:

I'm surprised that there's distress about singles and cassette sales, both
of which are music formats that have been running downhill for years.  In my
early high school years, most retail centers still had healthy cassette
sections, but barely anything exists now.  



#25 of 151 by brighn on Fri Jun 29 04:57:25 2001:

At this rate, an early prediction of mine -- that cassette will actually be
discontinued before LPs -- may actually bear out.


#26 of 151 by krj on Fri Jun 29 16:09:54 2001:

Beta News reports on a preview they were given of the Real Networks
/MusicNet online distribution system.
 
http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=993552636

"Each MusicNet file will contain code to verify that it may be 
played locally or streamed. Upon playback, a central clearinghouse 
is contacted to confirm a license has been issued for the song. 
If a user does not have the necessary tokens, a notice will appear 
prompting for the purchase of more."

As I read the article, it sounds like the playback system requires
a network connection so the software can phone home to see if it 
is authorized to play the song file.   The user can download song
files freely, but must buy tokens in order to play them.  

If I'm right, heaven help them; they have reinvented the Divx system 
for DVD licensing, a system which was a spectacular market failure,
almost totally rejected by consumers.


#27 of 151 by krj on Thu Jul 5 02:58:08 2001:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/2001-07-03-net-radio-usat.htm
 
"Net Radio Tangos With The Law."
 
The RIAA is suing a number of "webcasting" firms claiming
that their offerings are more interactive than is allowed 
under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.  Allowing users to 
choose what will be streamed to them is a no-no, according 
to the RIAA's interpretation of the law.  

Lawsuit targets include MTV's SonicNet, Launch, MusicMatch and 
Xact.  The article says that the RIAA did not take on MSN's 
streaming offering, even though it is essentially similar 
in functionality to the sued firms.

The article says that most musicians are lining up against the 
RIAA this time, in contrast to the Napster suit.


#28 of 151 by brighn on Thu Jul 5 13:57:53 2001:

Of course the RIAA didn't go after MS. It saw what happens when the govt sues
MS, what chance do THEY have?


#29 of 151 by mdw on Fri Jul 6 06:49:55 2001:

It just goes to show the sharks know each other.


#30 of 151 by brighn on Fri Jul 6 13:13:22 2001:

Professional courtesy ("Why don't sharks eat lawyers?" and "Why doesnt the
RIAA sue MSN?")



#31 of 151 by krj on Fri Jul 6 18:21:59 2001:

ZDnet has a nice survey article on six foolhardy firms trying to follow
in Napster's footsteps.  OK, some of them really aren't "firms."
Let's say, a review of six Napster replacements, plus the state of the 
original Napster, which one user now describes as "an elaborate chat
program."
 
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2782840,00.html

Reviewed are:  Aimster, Audiogalaxy, Gnutella, iMesh, OpenNap, and
Kazaa-Music City Morpheus.


#32 of 151 by brighn on Fri Jul 6 19:31:10 2001:

Yeah, somebody today directed me to Morpheus. I would have expected that,
after the nonsense with Napster, any similar site (especially one that claims
to be "better" than Napster explicitly) would have HUGE notices about
copyright infringement... READ THIS READ THIS READ THIS. Instead, it took me
a few minutes to find it, buried several sections below the snake-in-Eden
temptation of "Morpheus has no control over what people share."


#33 of 151 by russ on Sat Jul 7 17:44:22 2001:

Re #28:  Plenty of chances.  Look what Sun got after going after
M$ for violating the Java license terms.


#34 of 151 by krj on Tue Jul 10 21:24:38 2001:

According to a news story on http://www.mp3.com/news, Napster shut
down on July 3 and it has not returned.   The main Napster web page
confirms that "File transfers have been temporarily suspended while
Napster upgrades the databases that support our new file identification
technology.  Keep checking this space for updates."
 
Um, Napster's been turned OFF for a week and I haven't seen a news story
about it until today?   Sheesh.  I don't think the idea of making
money off the former Napster user base is going to fly, if the 
end of Napster's file trading service stirs only a whimper in the
news.


#35 of 151 by krj on Wed Jul 11 04:42:12 2001:

Here's the Cnet story on the disconnection of Napster:

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-6537921.html?tag=tp_pr

(cue theme music from "JAWS"  :)    )
 
"Sources close to the case say that court documents still under 
seal  have deeply influenced the company's actions over the 
past few weeks -- including its decision to go dark rather than 
allow filtered trading on its service."
 
The overall thrust of the story is that the record industry believes
the precedents it has won in the Napster case will allow it quick victories
in the future over other file-trading systems.
 
The story talks a lot about the impact of "audio fingerprinting" technology
as a means to halt the unauthorized trading of song files.  What few 
is left unsaid in the article is this:  a Napster which effectively 
filters unauthorized song files has no reason to exist.


#36 of 151 by krj on Wed Jul 11 20:47:58 2001:

Macrovision says they have a CD copy-prevention system ready to roll out.
No details are available in the two stories I have seen.  They claim
you will be able to play the CDs on computer CD-rom drives but not 
rip them.  ???
 
http://www.macrovision.com/safeaudio1.html
 
and a press release at:
http://www.newmediamusic.com/articles/NM01070093.html



#37 of 151 by krj on Thu Jul 12 04:12:23 2001:

From Friday's New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/12/technology/ebusiness/12NAPS.html

Trial court judge Marilyn Patel (remember her?  We haven't heard
much from her lately)  has ordered Napster to remain shut
down until their filtering system is 100% effective at 
preventing the exchange of copyrighted material.  Napster 
claims its filtering system is 99.4% effective and Patel says 
that is not good enough.

Napster will appeal.


#38 of 151 by gull on Thu Jul 12 12:32:03 2001:

The filtering system they have at the moment is 100% effective -- nothing
gets through. ;>


#39 of 151 by krj on Thu Jul 12 14:17:03 2001:

What I don't understand is how Patel's order can be congruent with the 
appeals court ruling on the preliminary injunction.  This seems to be 
the order Patel wanted to issue originally, which was substantially 
modified under the direction of the appeals court, and now she's gone 
back to it.


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