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Grex Micros Item 36: How do I suspend memory test on a vintage IBM XT?
Entered by klaus on Thu Aug 13 12:34:32 UTC 1992:

I have a vintage '83 IBM XT that I use for modem type (TNC) communications.
The motherboard has been upgraded with 640K of memory.  It orignally
had space only for 256K.  Now it takes quite a while for the system to
check memory on boot.  Is there some way I can bypass the memory test?
I have tried hitting the Esc key, etc.

36 responses total.



#1 of 36 by gunge on Thu Aug 13 14:32:35 1992:

There is no switch on the system board to disable the test, and no key
to press to bypass it.  One possible solution is to purchase a third party
BIOS that is compatible with your XT.  I know that they exist, but have
no experience with them - I assume they follow the "Press <ESC> to bypass
memory test" trend.


#2 of 36 by mju on Thu Aug 13 15:50:23 1992:

The "Press ESC to bypass memory test" feature didn't come out until
the AT clones, I believe.  I don't think the original IBM AT had it,
and the XT doesn't even display a memory count as it's testing.


#3 of 36 by klaus on Thu Aug 13 19:34:54 1992:

No, I get a memory count as it's testing.  I don't want to buy a BIOS
chip for it, so I guess I'm stuck. 


#4 of 36 by jep on Fri Aug 14 04:59:19 1992:

        You can leave the computer on all the time.  It's about the best
solution there is.


#5 of 36 by jeffk on Sun Aug 16 00:51:23 1992:

yep.


#6 of 36 by gunge on Tue Aug 18 19:13:08 1992:

I have a Seagate hard disk drive that I keep on all the time.  It won't
spin up without a jumpstart (turn the spindle). It works well otherwise.


#7 of 36 by mistik on Tue Aug 18 20:35:25 1992:

How do you turn the spindle?  I rotate the whole thing quickly to have the
disk spin.  It doesn't happen often though (once a year?)


#8 of 36 by klaus on Wed Aug 19 10:56:51 1992:

I have one of those type of drives too.  I use a screwdriver to get it
going.  An old Western Digital 40Mb IDE.


#9 of 36 by gunge on Wed Aug 19 17:30:08 1992:

If it is an ST-1x8 you have to stick a screwdriver between the circuit
board and the sealed chamber of ther drive and turn the spindle.
The ST-2x8 has an "E" clip on the bottom of the spindle that can be
used to rotate the spindle.


#10 of 36 by meg on Wed Aug 19 22:49:11 1992:

(You could always try baking it in the oven)


#11 of 36 by gunge on Thu Aug 20 13:51:35 1992:

I just leave it turned on.


#12 of 36 by graham on Tue Mar 16 07:15:41 1993:

The problem with the one in our zenith is that the armature that carries
the heads gets stuck in one place when you turn the power off.  Once you get 
it jiggled out of the PARK position it works fine.
I've taken it apart several times, and thought I had it fixed, but it's
stubborn.



#13 of 36 by tsty on Tue Mar 16 15:36:54 1993:

You might try a different park utility? whose/which one are you using?


#14 of 36 by graham on Tue Mar 16 22:12:16 1993:

you misunderstand.  It does that whenever the power gets turned off
or goes away.  No park utility involved.



#15 of 36 by tsty on Wed Mar 24 04:32:50 1993:

Then, I would ADD a park utility that works with full power applied,
your current park utility works as the Power Supply DIES and the PS
may be dying too fast now for the auto-park to work right upon
power-down!


#16 of 36 by gunge on Wed Mar 24 21:48:53 1993:

Rubbish.


#17 of 36 by tsty on Thu Mar 25 15:58:17 1993:

Perhaps, perhaps not. Thoeretical consideration - old PSs and old capacitors
and/or increased load on PS (since new) cause the voltage to die off
much faster. How much faster I don'T know. Anything that uses the
voltage die-off time is subject to that time slice and rate of decrease
of voltage. 
 
And there is another time element required to move the head to the
park position, a time which is variable. It is quite posible that the
head moves *near* the anticipated park position, either undershoot or
even overshoot. I woould suspect overshoot myself, initially, so that
on power up, the head is not wehre it's supposed to be, and needs
a mechanical nudge ("jiggled out of PARK position") to get going
again. 
  
The otehr consideration is that upoon power up, there is a small
"initiating pulse" to "kick" the head out of park, which is designed
into several varieties of electro-mechanical hardware. If the "kick pulse"
is absent or too small, head stays "stuck." 
 
Another problem I've run into, and solved, occurs when there is a
"bumper pad" at the extreme end of travel. The pad deterioriates over
time and, while acting as a bumper, also becomes sticky - just sticky
enough to require more of an "initiating kick" than is available. This

condition is most often associated with "arm overshoot," btw.
  
There are probably other situations which could cause the head to fail
to move, but the above are the ones I've run into, and solved, most
often, in all sorts of electro-mechanical actuating systems, large and
small.


#18 of 36 by mju on Thu Mar 25 17:07:04 1993:

A large problem (particularly with vintage ST-251 drives) is excess
lubricant on the spindle bearings.  After a while, the lubricant
oozes out of the bearings onto the platters, and collects in a lump
near the center of the platters.  The heat from an operating drive
softens the lubricant, and the heads then get stuck there while the
lubricant cools when the drive is turned off and the heads are parked.
Sometimes a rapid twist of the drive will free the heads; other times
the "sticktion" is more serious and you have to do something like
baking the drive in an oven to unstick the heads.  (Meg Geddes really
did that once, to get data off a couple of sticky drives...)


#19 of 36 by gunge on Fri Mar 26 15:40:44 1993:

Those Seagates make good pie filling. Mmmmm.


#20 of 36 by klaus on Thu Apr 1 14:58:39 1993:

Forget the oven!  Just rotate the platter motor from the bottom to
break it free, then apply power and your off.  (That's part of what
I did to recove the data off meg's HD's.  The remainder of the procedure
was to allow the drives to spin over night in a small box so they would
come up to operating temp.)


#21 of 36 by mju on Thu Apr 1 23:05:15 1993:

Yes, and if you're really lucky you won't rip the heads off the actuator
arms when you do this, either.


#22 of 36 by klaus on Fri Apr 2 12:21:31 1993:

Good point.  Guess I've been lucky.


#23 of 36 by steve on Sun Apr 11 02:45:38 1993:

   The sad thing about these drives is that there are so many of them
out there doing this!  Yucko.  I just gave some phone support to an
old friend whos ST-251 was doing just this.  The old rotate trick did
the job, at least this time.
   And no, the power supply can't be blamed for the sticktion problems.
The damn drives simply wern't made right.  Thanks, seagate, for losing
gigs of important data, all over the world.


#24 of 36 by rcurl on Sun Apr 11 03:39:58 1993:

I've never used a Seagate drive, so I don't know, but - can one get
at the bearings? Perhaps a smidgen of watch oil would be an efficient
repair. I know clocks, and proper lubrication will restore many to
health for many more years (caveat: *never* use 3-in-1, or any other
oil you can get from a hardware store).


#25 of 36 by mistik on Sun Apr 11 03:46:53 1993:

I rock the box rotationally to move the platters.  Saves me disassembling
the box.


#26 of 36 by kentn on Sun Apr 11 16:22:27 1993:

(Rane, where do you get "watch oil" and what brand/mixture/formula/
weight is best?)


#27 of 36 by rcurl on Sun Apr 11 16:41:06 1993:

Come to think of it, "clock oil" is probably better, for this heavier
mechanism. You get it from whales (a synthetic may be on the market now).
I have it, and if you can dissect the drive down to where the pivot
is accessible, I'd be glad to apply the requisite smidgen. I have 
smidgen applicators, also. I'm not just giving the same of a supplier
first, because there is some (slight) skill in oiling a clock (believe
it or not), which you can find in books on clock repair, or I could
convey (essentially - *very little*). That all said, one supplier is
Roland V. Tapp, PO Box 5510, Grants Pass, OR (503-471-0194). 1/2
ounce clock oil costs $2; an oiler costs the same. (Afterthought: clock
oil doesn't oxidize or become gummy, but it is made for low-shear
application - only one clock pivot rotates rapidly, and that is still
much slower than a drive pivot - I wonder what drive manufacturers use?)
,


#28 of 36 by steve on Sun Apr 11 17:22:53 1993:

   What is the clock oil that you mention above?  It isn't real whale
oil, is it?
   (Wanna give lessons in clock theory?)


#29 of 36 by danr on Sun Apr 11 17:36:49 1993:

(maybe enter a clockmakING item in the ing conference.)


#30 of 36 by kentn on Mon Apr 12 00:15:33 1993:

(or a clockoilING item ;)


#31 of 36 by rcurl on Mon Apr 12 04:39:44 1993:

We're talking about hard-drive oiling, folks. Mechanical clocks are
obsolete, you know. I could tell you more about clock oil than you
want to know but, yes, some was made from whale oil. Say, do you
think there is enough interest to populate a clockoilING item? 
,


#32 of 36 by klaus on Mon Apr 12 12:30:09 1993:

Yea, I like the old mechanical clocks!  I have a reproduction Regulator
School House clock that stays within a minute a week.  No big deal to
tweek the hands every week when I wind it.  I've oil it several times
over the years and oil sure makes a differance!

I've never seen a stuck Seagate, though I have seen stuck Fugi and Western
Digital drives.  I don't care much for Seagate. I have a little 2.5 inch
Seagate here that sounds like it has sand for spindle bearings!  I much
prefer the little Quantum, Conner, Toshiba and Integral.  the Integral
has a couple of 1.8" platters and measures 3" x 2" x .6" overall and holds
85 meg.  Cute!  They sound "nice" when they run.  Nice precision hum with
crisp, snapity sounding head drivers.


#33 of 36 by gunge on Tue Apr 13 20:53:23 1993:

Seagate stopped making good reliable drives when they went to 3.5"


#34 of 36 by rogue on Thu Apr 15 01:19:50 1993:

I don't know about that. The ST-251 and the ST4096 series were not very
reliable. 


#35 of 36 by gunge on Mon Apr 19 16:04:00 1993:

I've never had any problems with many of the hundreds of ST4096s that
I installed.


#36 of 36 by rogue on Wed Apr 21 05:08:09 1993:

I had one, and when the head moved, it shook my entire desk (I am not 
exaggerating). 

The ST4096 had a MTBF (mean time before failure) of only 20,000 hours or
40,000 hours (forgot which one). Compare that to today's drives' MTBF
of 100,000 to 500,000 hours (11 to 57 years). 

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