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Grex Language Item 53: Letter match--the 28 letter version!
Entered by power on Sat Dec 11 21:58:15 UTC 1993:

  Ok, since we went to 6 letter letter match, let's take it to the next
logical step--letter match, with 28 letter words!

45 responses total.



#1 of 45 by power on Sat Dec 11 21:58:39 1993:

  Ok, I'm thinking of a 28 letter word...


#2 of 45 by jdg on Sun Dec 12 04:14:18 1993:

antidisestablishmentarianism


#3 of 45 by srw on Sun Dec 12 06:25:14 1993:

12dihydroxymethylethylketone

Mathematicians/numerologists.. Anyone out there notice?
A direct jump from 6 to 28  .. See the connection?

(Oops sorry this is the language conference.)


#4 of 45 by remmers on Sun Dec 12 10:27:09 1993:

(Yep, I see the connection.)


#5 of 45 by rcurl on Sun Dec 12 19:38:08 1993:

That would have to be (1,2-dihydroxyethyl)methylketone. Punctuated
words have not been legit in Letter Match. Now, octaphenylcyclotetrasiloxane
(M.I. 6565) would be OK. And, re #3,4: I don't see the connection yet. But
I do see that 6-Letter Match seems to inherit the ennui generated by too
much 5-Letter Match. Just as Barogue degenerated to Roccoco, so 5 and 6
have degenerated to 28. We better all go to the new Item, and start
writing French.


#6 of 45 by jdg on Sun Dec 12 22:12:51 1993:

re 5: as far as I can tell, the connection is "6 plus 2 equals 8" because
the question was phrased "numerologists" and as far as I know, that is
a pseudology, and requires the most simplistic answer possible.


#7 of 45 by power on Mon Dec 13 01:21:30 1993:

  Mr. Jdg has it, with antidisestablishmentarianism!  Your turn to give
a word to guess!


#8 of 45 by srw on Mon Dec 13 06:17:32 1993:

While we're waiting for another 28 letter word, I just wanted to say:
Re #5: Yeah I was afraid those punctuations would do me in.
       I was applying "chemical license" mainly because jdg had already
       guessed the only 28 letter word I know. (Read, I cheated)
Re #7: jdg may have the conn for the next 28 letter word (heh heh)
       but he hasn't figured out the connection.
       Hint: divisors.


#9 of 45 by aa8ij on Mon Dec 13 08:57:20 1993:

 I'm crazy enough to beileve that 13*9=21. ask me about that sometime ;)


#10 of 45 by srw on Tue Dec 14 06:50:40 1993:

1,2,and 3 divide 6
1,2,4,7,14 divide 28
Since each is the sum of its divisors, each is known
(in certain arcane math circles) as a "perfect number"

There are not very many of these. 6 is the 1st, 28 the second.
I can't remember the third, but it's pretty big.

My #1 son's birthday is doubly perfect - June 28.
Most people would find a fact like that a help in
remembering which numbers were perfect numbers.
For some bizarre reason, though, I find that it helps
me remember his birthday. :-)


#11 of 45 by aa8ij on Tue Dec 14 08:23:43 1993:

 Does this mean that becaue I was born on 11/*27* I am imperfect?

 I feel like a borg ;)

 My mom was born on 3.28 so I guess she is perfect, which is fine for a 
mom like mine.


#12 of 45 by rcurl on Tue Dec 14 14:48:07 1993:

"Perfect numbers entered arithmetic with the Pythagoreans, who attributed
mystical and slightly nonsensical virtues to them." (I see we are still
at it.) "Euclid and Euler between them proved that an *even* number is
perfect if, and only if, it is of the form 2^c(2^(c+1)-1), where
2^(c+1)-1 is *prime*. So to every Mersenne  prime there corresponds an
*even* perfect number. But what about *odd* perfect numbers? Are there
any? The question was still unanswered in 1950 after about 2,300 years."
The next two *even* perfect numbers are therefore 496 and 8128, FWIW.


#13 of 45 by jdg on Tue Dec 14 22:53:33 1993:

I'm *not* thinking of a 28 letter word.


#14 of 45 by power on Tue Dec 14 23:58:24 1993:

  WIMP!!!! :)


#15 of 45 by rcurl on Wed Dec 15 02:25:45 1993:

I'm thinking of an N letter word.


#16 of 45 by aa8ij on Wed Dec 15 04:19:42 1993:

heh.


#17 of 45 by srw on Wed Dec 15 04:40:44 1993:

Maybe you should move it to the n-letter wordgame item.
(Although I guess it would be OK to commandeer this one since we seem
to have run out of 28 letter words.)


#18 of 45 by remmers on Wed Dec 15 09:08:25 1993:

I'm thinking of an aleph-null letter word.


#19 of 45 by robh on Wed Dec 15 15:01:13 1993:

Aleph, huh?  You fiend!  Picking words in Hebrew!  Okay, I guess
"g'veret".


#20 of 45 by power on Wed Dec 15 16:12:41 1993:

  Aleph-null refers to an order of infinity.  He means that it has as many
letters as there are natural numbers (which happens to be the same as
the number of integers and rationals, interestingly enough, although different
from the number of reals, which is an uncountable infinity)...

  How about GNU?  ('GNU is not Unix' is recursive, and thus goes to infinity,
and if you assign 1 to the first, and the successor of natural number
associated with the previous recursion to each successive recursion, you
can easily see that it is a countable infinity)...


#21 of 45 by remmers on Wed Dec 15 19:52:16 1993:

power:  aleph null !!!

Congratulations.  power's turn...


#22 of 45 by power on Wed Dec 15 22:55:31 1993:

  I'm thinking of a 16 bit word with odd parity... :) which Apple //
assembly programmers might have a slight advantage on....
(ha!  beats even an aleph null length word...)...
  To make it slightly more possible, when displayed in hex, this is a very
alphabetic looking word...


#23 of 45 by robh on Wed Dec 15 23:27:06 1993:

FADE.


#24 of 45 by srw on Thu Dec 16 01:49:35 1993:

0xfeed


#25 of 45 by srw on Thu Dec 16 01:55:18 1993:

Since this is a 16 *bit* word, you must count the bits that match,
not the letters, which represent a rather artificial grouping of
the bits.


#26 of 45 by aa8ij on Thu Dec 16 05:33:36 1993:

 Unix has paralysed my mind. ;)


#27 of 45 by jdg on Fri Dec 17 01:22:44 1993:

DEAF.


#28 of 45 by power on Tue Dec 21 01:25:58 1993:

  No fair--you need to enter the words in binary, since, as srw said,
this is a 16 ***BIT*** word! :)
  but anyway....

  1111101011011110  - 10
  1111111011101101  - 14
  1101111010101111  - 11

  I was kind, and did the conversion myself, this time, but after this,
all entries must be in binary notation...  not that hard to convert,
anyway... :)


#29 of 45 by srw on Thu Dec 23 01:23:52 1993:

Seems fair, power, but is it fair to say that your word has odd parity,
and yet the first test word clearly has even parity and an even number
of matches (10)? Parity argues that 10 is not correct. Please explain.



#30 of 45 by srw on Thu Dec 23 01:38:57 1993:

-3 (1111111111111101) - assuming you missed a bit and meant 11 for 0xfade.


#31 of 45 by power on Mon Dec 27 03:18:27 1993:

  It was my mistake, on the first one above--it actually has 9 matches.  it's
a bit tricky to count :)...  the other two are right...

1111111111111101 - 14

  looks like it's time for another hint...  the hex representation of this
EXTREMELY alphabetic looking word has only one vowel.  Furthermore, at least
on of the above guesses was very close, in either hex or bin...


#32 of 45 by srw on Mon Dec 27 08:11:46 1993:

Now we have a problem, power, as this game obviously inherited all of the
rules from rcurl's first game, someone else must guess before I can guess
again. It doesn't look like there are a lot of participants, though. :-)


#33 of 45 by rcurl on Mon Dec 27 15:40:33 1993:

....anywhere....


#34 of 45 by srw on Mon Dec 27 20:49:10 1993:

Perhaps letter match isn't dead, but only dormant.
I think we should let it sleep for now.


#35 of 45 by rcurl on Tue Dec 28 17:02:08 1993:

My thought too. It's winter, when many things are dormant.


#36 of 45 by power on Fri Dec 31 01:40:40 1993:

  :)... oh well... maybe an Apple // junkie or two will wander in and have
a guess.... tsty?  kentn?...

  in the meantime....


#37 of 45 by srw on Fri Dec 31 08:01:38 1993:

I think we have a dormant game.


#38 of 45 by kingjon on Thu Oct 2 22:03:02 1997:

please lower # of letters.


#39 of 45 by davel on Fri Oct 3 12:53:38 1997:

I think they're tired of playing, Jonathan ... note especially that it had
been almost 4 years since the last resp.


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