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Grex Language Item 42: Between the sidewalk and the curb
Entered by polygon on Wed Jun 23 11:28:34 UTC 1993:

What term do YOU use for the strip of (usually) grassy space between the
sidewalk and the street?

I've noticed that the term used in one place is unrecognized in another,
and vice versa.  Is this something that varies from one town to another
depending on strictly local tradition, or is it regional?

46 responses total.



#1 of 46 by md on Wed Jun 23 11:45:01 1993:

It was called the "tree belt" in Massachusetts.


#2 of 46 by chelsea on Wed Jun 23 11:56:29 1993:

The easement.


#3 of 46 by remmers on Wed Jun 23 12:13:29 1993:

I've heard it called the "margin" by a lawyer, so that's what I've been
calling it.


#4 of 46 by katie on Wed Jun 23 13:25:44 1993:

 Why, are you scared of lawyers?


#5 of 46 by robh on Wed Jun 23 13:44:44 1993:

The grassy knoll!


#6 of 46 by vidar on Wed Jun 23 16:31:05 1993:

The city owned part of the lawn.


#7 of 46 by davel on Wed Jun 23 17:12:00 1993:

I grew up calling it "the parkway".  Since moving to MI I've heard it called
"the extension" (or "the lawn extension").


#8 of 46 by jdg on Wed Jun 23 23:34:19 1993:

re 2: That's an incorrect use, most likely.  Easements are areas on your
property (that you own) that utilities can dig up or drive bulldozers
through.  See your mortgage paperwork, the survey will have the easements
marked.  Usually, they're for buried gas lines and areas under power lines.


#9 of 46 by tnt on Thu Jun 24 01:17:30 1993:

 The rumpkin.


#10 of 46 by wh on Thu Jun 24 03:11:29 1993:

re #4. GOOD one, Katie.   I've never heard anyone give it a name before.


#11 of 46 by ecl on Thu Jun 24 04:56:16 1993:

The Bus stop
The Trash Pile


#12 of 46 by rcurl on Thu Jun 24 05:42:35 1993:

Verge.


#13 of 46 by arabella on Thu Jun 24 07:00:11 1993:

The berm.



#14 of 46 by chelsea on Thu Jun 24 11:10:05 1993:

Oh, but the city can (and does) dig up this easement if they need
to access lines or mains.  The homeowner is obligated to follow rules
regarding maintenance and there are limitations on what can be
installed or constructed in this area. Trees located within this
area are not the homeowner's trees yet I believe the homeowner 
maintains some liability.

But you're probably right and this is not a correct legal term.
It's just what I call it.


#15 of 46 by mju on Thu Jun 24 22:20:58 1993:

I've heard it called the "lawn extension" or "extension" as well.


#16 of 46 by polygon on Thu Jun 24 22:39:36 1993:

In East Lansing, it was pretty much universally called "the parkway".

Here in Ann Arbor, my landlord insists on calling it "the lawn extension".
(He's lived in Ann Arbor all his life and says he's never heard it called
anything but that.


#17 of 46 by davel on Fri Jun 25 00:43:13 1993:

(Rane or Jennie, how about linking this to language?)


#18 of 46 by rcurl on Fri Jun 25 05:27:00 1993:

I was thinking of doing that, but then, everyone reads this hear, so
why would someone want to read it again in Language? Nevertheless, it
is an opportunity to practice my new fairwitnessry, so let me see if I
can figure out the arcane instructions I have.........


#19 of 46 by mta on Fri Jun 25 05:57:08 1993:

The reason to link stuff from Agora to a specialty conference, OMO as a 
FW with several years experience  ;) , is that it'll hang around there
considerably after Agora has rolled over to the next season for the
enjoyment of those who choose to go there later.

or something like that.


#20 of 46 by rcurl on Fri Jun 25 06:43:24 1993:

I have linked this item to language (item 42). I just noticed, though,
that this item here (I do know how to spell this word, but have lapses)
is itself linked - from where? Actually, it was fun: POWER! 


#21 of 46 by remmers on Fri Jun 25 11:04:48 1993:

(When you link an item to another conference, it's labeled as "linked"
in both conferences.  "Linked" is a symmetric property -- Picospan doesn't
record which conference was the original one.)


#22 of 46 by rcurl on Fri Jun 25 14:21:25 1993:

Well, back to the subject....we don't have a "lawn extension", because
there is no sidewalk. Nevertheless, several feet of our lawn near the
road is road easement. Is that still the "lawn extension" according to
those using that term?


#23 of 46 by polygon on Fri Jun 25 15:53:25 1993:

The physical road or street is built in a government-owned strip of
land known as the "right-of-way".  Usually the R.O.W. is fifty to 66
feet wide (66 was the standard for rural roads in Michigan, many of
which of course go on to become urban streets).

If the R.O.W., say, is 50 feet wide, and the street itself is 24
feet wide, that leaves another 13 feet on each side.  If there's a
four foot wide sidewalk, seven feet back from the curb, that means
the edge of the right-of-way is two feet back from the sidewalk, or
to put it a different way, as you walk from your house toward the
street, your property ends two feet before the sidewalk.

Those are fairly typical values, but YOUR MILEAGE WILL VARY!!  The
only way to know about property boundaries with any precision would
be to examine the official survey of the property, or have one made.
The point I'm making is that the sidewalk is almost always built on
public land, and not necessarily right up against the edge of the
right-of-way.

Note also that where a very large road widening is contemplated, the
city or state may be in a position of having to buy extra land from
the fronting property owners.

An easement is a whole different thing.  Most often in this context it
would have to do with portions of your lot to which a public utility
has some limited rights.


#24 of 46 by katie on Fri Jun 25 16:05:41 1993:

I always knew it as an extension.


#25 of 46 by eric2 on Fri Jun 25 17:04:59 1993:

grass.


#26 of 46 by jdg on Fri Jun 25 20:47:24 1993:

re 23: that would explain why it doesn't show up as an easement on our
survey (we just refinanced, so I had a recent glance at it).  Our property
line ends before the sidewalk (or exactly at it...whatever..).


#27 of 46 by aa8ij on Fri Jun 25 22:33:13 1993:

  In Detroit, "that which still needs mowing" was about 6 feet wide, 
with the sidewalk being 3 feet wide and about 7 feet for my dad's
precious lawn.


#28 of 46 by steve on Sun Jun 27 23:25:03 1993:

   I've always heard the term extension.


#29 of 46 by kentn on Mon Jun 28 15:15:57 1993:

We always called it the "parking" though I always thought that seemed
funny because cards park in the street, not on the grass.


#30 of 46 by tsty on Mon Jun 28 16:32:02 1993:

  << you playing with a full deck today??>><<G>>


#31 of 46 by kentn on Mon Jun 28 22:51:28 1993:

PicoSpan sucks...can't edit responses.  When will we get a real
conferencing system?


#32 of 46 by mju on Mon Jun 28 23:30:57 1993:

Do you mean responses you've already made and entered, or a response
you're currently entering?  If the former, then keep in mind that
you can't un-say something you blurt out in a conversation, either.


#33 of 46 by davel on Mon Jun 28 23:56:33 1993:

You can always expurgate & re-enter - assumuing it's *your* response you
want to edit, of course.  And that won't keep anyone who can type
     more /bbs/censored
from reading it.  But personally, I consider the stability of stuff once
entered to be a virtue.  It's a real pain to read responses that have
been made irrelevant because whatever they responded to has been changed.


#34 of 46 by tsty on Tue Jun 29 07:05:42 1993:

Sorry to poker a little fun at you kentn, I hope you would know, even
without the  <<G>>, that is was not at all serious. 
  
About editing, and the unspoken reference to Confer (tm), which allows
such an operation, I consider it subject to not only the innocent
corrections that you would wish (wouldn't we all on occasion!) but
also (as I and others have +witnessed+) also subject to some rather
vicious abuses. Given my druthers, I'd rather subject myself to an
occasional typo (and friendly jesting from it, I even laugh at myself),
than create an environment that can be as badly misused (!) as is
Confer (tm) every now and then. 
  
Besides, for the diligent searcher, the existance of 2-3 versions of
a thought that took time to polish shows more maturity on the writer
part than simply the finished "ascii plop." 
  
but then I've been known to have different opinions every now and then.


#35 of 46 by popcorn on Tue Jun 29 22:42:19 1993:

This response has been erased.



#36 of 46 by tsty on Wed Jun 30 08:56:34 1993:

  <<awwh, popcorn, there was some wonderful drift going on ... <g> >>


#37 of 46 by gracel on Mon Aug 2 00:40:25 1993:

The boulevard. (Provenance: non-Chicago Illinois)


#38 of 46 by davidtg on Tue Aug 24 23:35:17 1993:

that~r wasteland of tar where the grass is bold enough to grow


#39 of 46 by gracel on Mon Oct 24 01:54:47 1994:

The City of Milan Dept. of Public Works calls it the parkway, they
want the leaves piled onto it and *not* in the street.


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