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Grex Internet Item 9: Internet Favorites
Entered by carl on Sat Jan 8 12:54:10 UTC 1994:

What are your favorite things you've found on the internet?

33 responses total.



#1 of 33 by carl on Sat Jan 8 13:02:50 1994:

Thus far, I have two favorites:

*WinZip5.0   Which compresses and decompresses files with the .zip
             extension.  It does from within Windows, and uses only
             one program (it doesn't require pkzip.???).  It has
             more features than I'll probably ever use, but that's ok.


*Lynx        Which is the easy way to see/use hypertext with a vt100.
             I also like the way it works as a shell for gophers.  With
             5 keys, you can easily navigate around cyberspace.


#2 of 33 by remmers on Sat Jan 8 14:34:37 1994:

(Where do you get Lynx?)


#3 of 33 by rcurl on Sat Jan 8 17:59:29 1994:

What's the (dis) connection between Lynx and Mosaic?


#4 of 33 by davel on Sat Jan 8 23:27:41 1994:

He likes them both!


#5 of 33 by carl on Sun Jan 9 03:44:29 1994:

I found Lynx one day while searching the msu-gopher.  Just telnet to
msu-gopher, select the last item on the main menu, select 5 on the
network menu, select the last item on the internet menu, select the
last item on the WWW menu, then login as "www".

At this point, you'll be running Lynx.  With my vt100 emulator, I 
just use the four cursor keys and the space bar to painlessly 
navigate through hypertext, gophers, searches, files and other
goodies.

(Actually, I'd like to see Grex run Lynx so that we could have
Michigan's first public access WWW server.  Hint, hint. ;-)

re 2  Lynx is available from the U of Kansas, with info available
      on the server mentioned above.

re 3  As I understand it (hope this disclaimer will work), Mosaic
      requires a full internet connection and allows "point and
      click" operation with hypertext.  Lynx works with remote
      access to a host and emulates the "point and click" with
      the cursor keys.  In other words, it makes hypertext
      accessible to people with remote connections to the
      Internet.



#6 of 33 by rcurl on Sun Jan 9 07:52:48 1994:

Well, the lynx executables at ftp.cc.ukans.edu:pub/lynx, are all unix.
You'll have to run it at ukans - or via msu-gopher - unless there is
other hosts. I didn't go very far into it, but it appears to be a text
interface rather than a graphics interface. I moved up a directory,
and found a Mac folder, in which was only mosaic (and all its viewers).
Dang! I already have too many projects I'm working on.....


#7 of 33 by carl on Sun Jan 9 16:04:18 1994:

That's right.  Where images would appear using Mosaic, "[image]" appears
highlighted.  If you select the highlighted "[image]" it will transfer
the file to your host.  That means that you'd have to dl it from the
host and view it on your own viewer.  BTW, that's what it does with
ftp links.  You just select the file and it's there on your host.  Much
easier than ftping.

Lynx will probably never replace Mosaic.  But for people that can't
afford Mosaic connections, Lynx is the next best thing.

I heard somewhere that Gophers were supposed to be an easy way to get
around and see what's available on the internet.  There are a lot of
seems (telnet connections, etc.) when gophering to anything other than
another gopher.  Also, gophers can't use hypertext (to my knowledge).
To me, Lynx is what I was hoping to find in gopher--an easy, seemless
way to navigate.


#8 of 33 by remmers on Sun Jan 9 18:49:05 1994:

(seAmless)


#9 of 33 by carl on Mon Jan 10 19:45:28 1994:

(carl blushes, "I never was any good at sewing.")


#10 of 33 by bartlett on Tue Jan 11 18:24:01 1994:

I recently discovered Veronica, the search facility that makes Gopher more
usable, since you can do key-word searches of Gopher-space and it will
provide the results as a Gopher-style menu.  The searching can be fairly
elaborate.


#11 of 33 by carl on Tue Jan 11 21:58:36 1994:

I'll bet veronica was what I was thinking of for searching by topic.
At the time I read about ftp, telnet, archie, veronica, email, WWW,
etc. I wasn't using the internet.  

One of these days I'll go back and review...


#12 of 33 by remmers on Wed Jan 12 03:28:55 1994:

I believe there's a "jughead" too, but I don't know what it does.
Can "betty" be far behind?  And what about "reggie"?


#13 of 33 by davel on Wed Jan 12 10:43:18 1994:

Or how about moose?


#14 of 33 by srw on Mon Jan 17 07:09:44 1994:

I am following up on the previous discussion about Lynx.
I followed the posted instructions and went through the MSU gopher
to U Kansas and logged in as WWW to run Lynx.

It is very cool, even without the images.

I easily connected to a WWW site in Japen (NTT) where there was a whole
bunch of stuff about how to survive in Japan as a Westerner.
It was very interesting.

Then I checked out PARC (XEROX Palo Alto). There were a lot of
pictures there, so it would be more interesting in Mosaic.

Finally I went to a site in Austria that had an on-line hypertext
version of the Hacker's Jargon Dictionary. I found out what a
kamikaze packet was. Way cool. Then I ran out of time. :-(

Go direct to Merit for this stuff, Grex's lines are too precious and
too slow. The hypertext was nice. Much easier to deal with
than the gopher method of navigating.


#15 of 33 by carl on Mon Jan 17 18:07:24 1994:

I'm glad someone else likes Lynx!  There's a lot of stuff available
on the World Wide Web, and the Lynx at UofK has pointers to current
files.  I especially like Nova-Links and GNN.  You can easily pick
a topic and go on an adventure.  This is what I dreamed the Internet
would be like when I first heard of gophers.  Not only does it run
circles around gophers, it can even run them.

It's the kind of thing that you have to experience to know what it's like!


#16 of 33 by srw on Tue Jan 18 03:49:31 1994:

I told a zillion people at work about Lynx today.


#17 of 33 by carl on Tue Jan 18 19:37:43 1994:

Did you know that if you're viewing a file you'd like a copy of, you can
press "p" for print.  It will give you a choice between having a copy
mailed to you and having it printed to the screen without the pager.

I tried the mailing option this morning, and haven't received the files
yet.  Perhaps it's because Grex was down most of the morning.


#18 of 33 by bartlett on Tue Jan 18 21:45:07 1994:

Is there a direct telnet link to Lynx so one doesn't have to wade through
the MSU gopher?


#19 of 33 by bartlett on Tue Jan 18 22:48:34 1994:

Being the independent sort of cuss I am, I can now answer my own question in
the affirmative.  The telnet address is:
kufacts.cc.ukans.edu 23
Enjoy.


#20 of 33 by mju on Wed Jan 19 00:49:05 1994:

You don't need the "23" part; that's the default telnet port.


#21 of 33 by srw on Wed Jan 19 01:35:24 1994:

Re #17. No I didn't know that. That's cool. I'll bet it won't mail me a GIF
though, since it can't let me look at one.

Re #19. Be that way, Chris, but you'll tie up a grex phone line and do
your lynxing at 2400 baud, when the alternative is to free up the
line and lynx at 9600 baud. It's worth the extra steps, IMO.


#22 of 33 by scg on Wed Jan 19 03:42:50 1994:

At least that's the alternative for those of you lucky people with 9600+ baud
modems. <sigh>


#23 of 33 by bartlett on Thu Jan 20 21:42:02 1994:

Actually, I did my linking from Merit, though it still was at 2400.  I was
merely providing the info here, since that's what this conference is about.


#24 of 33 by carl on Fri Jan 21 02:06:54 1994:

The mail option does work.  My computer and Grex kept taking turns
being down, so it took a few days to get the files.  I'm sure it
doesn't usually take that long!

re 21:  Steve, you can press "=" at any of the highlighted options
        and it will show you the link to connect to the file.
        I'm not sure of the format for a GIF file link, but it will
        have the system, the directory, and the filename where
        the original is stored.


#25 of 33 by srw on Fri Jan 21 07:22:03 1994:

Thanks, carl, I'll try that.


#26 of 33 by srw on Wed Feb 23 02:00:34 1994:

I looked at the Lynx executables on the ftp site, and found there were
none for a Sun-3. So I ftp'd the source code and compiled it here
with only a minor bit of trouble. And it works very nicely.

For those people who would prefer the higher baud rate of going
through Merit to MSU gopher to get to ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu to run
Lynx, this will be of little interest, but for those of you who are
telnetting there from Grex, this will be a big help I think.

You must be an authorized member (i.e. have internet privileges)
and you must have a full-screen terminal (not a dumb terminal).
Then you can now run it right here on Grex by saying

/u/srw/lynx*/lynx

Interesting bits:
(1) I could not find the freeWAIS software (yet) so it doesn't
    do integrated WAIS searches.
(2) the home screen is the ukanaix screen, so it will look familiar.
    If anyone wants to get into HTTM(hypertext document) stuff, we
    can have our own grex home screen.
(3) I will be requesting that it get installed in /usr/local/bin,
    and if staff agrees it will be a little easier to invoke.
    I use an alias for the time being.

Since I have decided to appoint myself as lynx guru, please email
me any comments or better yet, post 'em here.  In fact,
post 'em even if everything works, so I know how much it's getting
used.


#27 of 33 by moose on Wed Feb 23 02:41:57 1994:

I think I have the WAIS software...  I will look and let you know for sure.


#28 of 33 by moose on Wed Feb 23 02:46:42 1994:

Nope, don't have it.  I must have deleted it.

I forget the address that I FTP'd to to get it.  It was thru the gopher though.


#29 of 33 by srw on Wed Feb 23 06:38:35 1994:

The info from ukans said that it was in 1 of two places - 
ftp2.cc.ukans.edu and sunsite.nc.edu
but I looked in both places and didn't see it.

We can always add that later, though.

We are now in the process of moving lynx to the system directory.
So when we're done all you should have to do is type lynx at a shell
prompt or !lynx at the Ok: prompt. This has not yet completed though.

I can't test it anymore, due to some kind of network problem.
I've posted a message in system problems in agora.
When this is fixed, it should be working again.
If not, I'll try to get it working the first chance I get.


#30 of 33 by srw on Wed Feb 23 15:21:22 1994:

Lynx is now an installed program on Grex, so you can invoke it by
just saying lynx at a shell prompt. Thanks to carl for discovering
lynx and hinting in reponse #5 to get this to happen.


#31 of 33 by carl on Wed Feb 23 18:39:22 1994:

Yes, this is something I have been trying to get here at Grex for a little
while now.  I've just been working in the background trying to get information
and permission.  It's neat to see that Steve could easily do what I had
puzzled over.


#32 of 33 by carl on Wed Feb 23 21:57:11 1994:

I'm happy to announce that I have an experimental home page for lynx.
This file will change over the next few days.  Please take a look and
tell me what you think!

Just type

              lynx /u/carl/test*

or 

              !lynx /u/carl/test*


#33 of 33 by freedom on Mon May 27 19:20:19 2002:

This Bbs, without any doubt :) 

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