I just got Netscape 1.1 and was wondering if anybody else has it yet?
I'm running it on a 386, 4 meg ram, 14.4 baud and have a few questions.

Does it usually take 5-10 minutes to boot after clicking on it? (no
exageration) Does it usually crash every 5 minutes or every time you try a
link?

I want to use this program but It's not impressing me so far. Plus,
when I look at my homepage I don't get graphics. But other people do.

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I'm running it.  Comes up in a few seconds.  But I'm running on a Pentium
90, not a 386.  That could explain the difference.

It hasn't crashed that I can recall.  I do experience an occasional
problem with screen painting in the Windows version:  When I scroll to
a new page using the scroll bar, sometimes the screen will only be
partially updated -- large blank areas, some lines of text having only
the top or bottom portion printed.  Selecting "refresh" from the menu
always corrects the problem.

Also, the PageUp and PageDown keys don't work for me in the Windows
version.

I also run the Linux/X version of Netscape 1.1.  This works fine for me
and doesn't have any of the above-mentioned problems.

I use it. On this Mac IIci, it opens completely in 20 seconds. Never
crashes. Get a Mac :).

        I just timed the Linux/X version of Netscape 1.1N loading in about
seven seconds, on my 486DX2-66.  My experience with Windoze has generally
been that it's pretty slow, and 386s are slow, so I'm not surprized it
took you a while.  As for the crashes, the beta versions of Netscape 1.1
crashed sometimes, but not nearly as often as you described (maybe once an
hour or so).  I haven't had enough experience with the release version yet
to make any statements like that about it yet. 
        You problem with it not loading images is probably a problem with
how you have it configured.  Go to your Options menu and click on "Auto
Load Images."  That should fix it.

Rane:  Don't you go and start any religous wars now, ya here!

[Get a PowerPC running BSDI!  <grin>]

So where do I get the release version?

ftp.mcom.com

How do I know if I have the realease version already?
Could the crashing be caused from memory problems?

If you select "About" in the "Help" pulldown menu, it should tell you
which version you have.

I'd like to use Netscape as a browser on my computer to read an html index
for images stored on my hard drive.  My problem is that I'm using a Mac,
and realize that I don't know what a complete file name is & so have no
idea what to refer to in the links to the images.  Same for creating the
index file, although you can "click" open a text file.  Can anyone provide
me with an example or brief explanation? 

I haven't use Netscape in "local" mode, but it should handle URLs like
file:index.html
This presupposes that it is already pointing to that directory.
You can traverse directories downward using : instead of / in mac programs
that can handle full path names (very few), but I dunno  what Netscape will
want to see. Your links should be relative rather than absolute, if you have
a choice. (I hope *some* of what I said made sense.)

Yes.  I rediscovered relative links in that if I have the Index file in a
given folder, it will read any links within that folder without concern
about the full file name.  I found that Netscape reads macOS-resident file
addresses in unixese (with / forward slashes) instead of the system ":". 
I also learned that items on the Hard Drive are located on "Hard Drive"
(Doooh!) So a system file name should look something like:  Hard
Drive:Folder Name:file (or Desk Top or exactly whatever the icon/location
is labeled) and substitute to Hard Drive/Folder Name/file as a HTTP
location.  You can set up Netscape to consider any file as home, but I
interrupt the dialing(leaving the Netscape homepage default) and manually
load my index page when the program comes up.  ../ indicates one level up,
but I haven't progressed to the point of needing multiple levels of
folders. 


   I'm able to make a working href to display a pict file image, but so
far cannot get an in-page image to work.  I've gotten as far as loading
the file, but only get a "broken picture" display.  Still, I'm looking
forward to getting a large plunder-of-research assortment of documents and
images organized and accessible once I see the light over a few more
details. 

You seem to have a pretty good handle on things now.
Good luck!

I loaded Netscape 2.0b3 on my office IIci OK - having enough HD space,
but I didn't have enough space on my Powerbook HD for 2.0b3, so I
only "upgraded" to 1.12 from 1.10N. Now the questions is - what is
in that additional 1MB required for 12.0b3 over 1.12, and why do I
need it?

What I want to know is where do I get a copy of MacTCP?  Seems I have
to buy some book from my favorite book store to get it.  That seems
really weird to me.  Also, are there versions of MacTCP to avoid?
 
Doesn't the latest version of Netscape support Java?  Perhaps that's
why it wants more memory.

Yep, it supports Java, which could explain the extra memory
requirements. Mail and news support is much fancier too. Netscape
2.0 supports the POP mail protocol, which means you can use it to
receive mail as well as send it out. I don't think earlier versions
of Netscape supported POP.
   Netscape seems bent on dominating the internet client market
by making its web browser the Swiss Army Knife of the internet:
At this point it can do http, ftp, gopher, smtp, pop, nntp, java,
and maybe even irc. Plans are underway to support Adobe Acrobat
as well, although I'm not sure that's implemented yet. Anyway,
no wonder it's a big program.
   The current Newsweek has a special section on the Internet,
including a big spread on the Netscape success story and the
people behind it.

I believe that the latest Mac version of the Beta is still lacking in Java
support. That would be 2.0B3. I am waiting to hear of the first Mac version
that supprts Java. John is right about the Windows beta, though.
Also all those other features are supposed to be there, too.

Say ., the latest version of MacTCP is 2.0.6 (I think). After your
inquiry I went hunting for it in archives, but it isn't to be found.
That is weird. Must be a money maker for Apple. Hmmm...I wonder if
MacTCP is bundled with the systems you can download from ftp.apple.com.

Netscape 2.0b3 is already 2.7MB - even without Java, then. This is
getting ridiculous...

MacTCP is bundled with commercial internet apps, with Adam Engst's book,
with a recent release of the OS (7.5 I think, but I don't have it, so I'm
not sure), and with certain other networking products, like pathworks.

Not likely to find it via ftp, though.

Let's recycle this time....

I ran into a puzzle on Netscape Gold 3.0 (for Mac). A small group of
folder bookmarks in the Bookmark menu suddently acquired strange symbols
just to the left, and the contents of the folders did not open. I fooled
around in the bookmarks window for a bit, and found that by moving one
of the culprits in the list, the group of affected folders changed. The
first one in the group seemed to matter the most. I moved it out of the
group and renamed it...and the problem vanished, even after moving it back
into the original place in the list. What was going on?

evidently no one has a clue. I sure don't.

Are you still using Macs? We may be two of the last....

I do use a Mac for my personal stuff. I have been forced to switch to 
Windows NT for my work-related stuff. 

I think it is still a billion dollar business....and yet its products
are becoming almost unnoticeable in the multi-billion dollar PC business.
It is quite an amazing phenomenon. 

        Rane, in reading the old confs i saw you were looking for data logging
for a Mac. I happened across 1 yesterday. If your still looking, let me know.
They were offering a beta for free use. (if offer is still good)

What is it? Data logging requires the A/D converter. Is it one? I did
get an inexpensive converter for the parallel port of a PC, but didn't
find anything economical for a Mac.

        I dont remember prices but i thiunk they were claiming low price. I
wrote it down so i'll dig it out and send it to you.

We are trying to figure out what browser will run best on a 386 with 8M RAM,
100 M hard disk, 40 MHz, 28.8 modem.  An ISP said 8M is minimum, but 16 will
be twice as fast, true?  He suggested Netscape 1 or 2, but said 1 did not
support mail at all, true?  And that if we did not want mail 1 would run
faster than 2.  (He kept trying to analyze my birthdate and horoscope so I
eventually gave up trying to get more info).  What are the latest versions
of Netscape 1 and 2 and where can we find them?  Where can we find used RAM
to upgrade to 16 MHz?
        In people's experience, what are the minimal hardware requirements to
run the different versions of Netscape?  We don't want to load an unusual
browser for someone who will have his friends showing him how to use it, so
will stick with Netscape.  What are the advantages of versions later than 1?
The system is for someone who has never used a computer, and just wants to
browse websites (in color and graphics).  Maybe use email, wants the option.

I tried the Netscape website and emailed them for more info.  Netscape
Navigator 2.02 can be downloaded in many language versions, for Win3.1 we need
the 16-bit version which does not do Java.  Dumb question from a lynx user
- what does Java do?  And it says you need TCP/IP stack, dialer and
WINSOCK.DLL.  Does a 386 loaded with Win3.1 have these, whatever they are?

What are the advantages of Navigator 3 and 4 over 2?  Will they run on a 386
at all?  Badly?

I've been trying to download Netscape 4.7, but without success. I now have
4.6.1 on a PowerMac with OS 8.6. When I run SmartUpdate, it downloads and
extracts the update, but then I get an error dialogue that says I can't
"install an older version...than the one you are currently running" (?!). 
When I try to download the complete Ver. 4.7, it downloads and then hangs
before extracting. I have the lastest Stuffit Expander (5.5). I have
informed Netscape of these problems, but they don't guarantee they will
respond to users (and there is no sign so far they will). Can anyone
suggest a next course of action? I am getting "retired certificate" 
warnings from some web sites (though 4.6.1 still works there). 

Clearly the installation of the update is confused by the "1.1" in the header
of that item.  I advise starting a new item with a higher version number. ;)

But, #29 was just an upgrade! Do you mean I have to remove all the
prior versions before installation? 

Problem solved (after the usual hours of wasted time). There is something
wrong with Netscape's SmartUpdate - I suspect it might be that it is
trying to install the 56 bit encryption option (even though it says 128 on
the download button) while I already have the 128 bit version of 4.6.1
(maybe....). The full download of ver. 4.7 probably failed because I chose
the 56 bit version. By a) re-registering at Netscape to get a current
'certificate' and b) downloading the complete 128 bit version of Comm 4.7,
everything worked.

In regard to Communicator (Netscape - its the only part I use) 4.7 - I
can't say that it behaves better than 4.6.1 yet (I was hoping for fewer
crashes), but what struck me immediately is that it includes AOL Instant
Messanger, and is set up so that you immediately see an AIM window when
you start it, with a "Signon" button. I didn't know that Netscape had
gotten that far into bed with AOL...does AOL have a controlling interest
in Netscape? 4.7 also includes the Netscape "Messenger", so it isn't
a matter of AOL taking complete control. 

Yes, Netscape is owned by AOL.  I found it interesting that the last time I
installed Communicator, the installer seemed to consider AOL Instant Messenger
a core part of the browser.  There were other components you could choose to
install or not, but AIM was mandatory.

But you can uninstall it. I've only turned off all its extensions. 

Is there a limit on how many bookmarks can be installed in a bookmark file
on Netscape? Netscape Help doesn't say, but I have found that the new
bookmarks I add show up in the list but cannot be chosen. I moved some
into folders, which often makes them work, but then I found a bunch in a
folder showing up dimmed, and unchoosable. Then I ran Checking, which
found a bunch of bookmarks that no longer linked to valid sites, which I
removed. This only changed which bookmarks were dimmed in folders at the
end of the bookmark menu, and some undimmed ones still don't work. 

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