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Grex Ing Item 55: The PhilosophiING item
Entered by bjorn on Wed Oct 4 22:34:17 UTC 1995:

I am in "Plato"nic mode today.  So I entered this item for
people who like to make statements that seem to make no
sense at first, but when they are thought about bring with them
a clear message regarding life.  I do not have any such 
statements on hand at the moment, probably because MCOM100
is not knowledge that I love.

So sit back, and discuss the forvm!

15 responses total.



#1 of 15 by cybrvzhn on Wed Mar 12 14:48:10 1997:

Everybody must be silently reflecting...
This philisophical wasteland doesn't surprise me. Take a look around yourself.
Philosphy requires silent reflection, deep thought, etc. Who has time for quiet
reflection these days?


#2 of 15 by rcurl on Wed Mar 12 16:18:59 1997:

I turn off radios when I find them on, but no one listening.


#3 of 15 by cybrvzhn on Thu Mar 13 17:47:56 1997:

Does this allow you to silently reflect?
Let's see if we can get some conversation going here.
Is there a compelling reason to separate Art and Science? Does life have a
point or are we just existing for the sake of existing(or because we don't feel
like dying right this moment)?


#4 of 15 by rcurl on Thu Mar 13 18:35:03 1997:

Hmmm...standard conundrums. Well, I'll state my opinion, and brief reasons:
Art/Science. Who separates them compeltely? But they do arise from different
enterprises.
Does life have a "point"? Yes, to increase entropy. 


#5 of 15 by cybrvzhn on Thu Mar 13 19:25:46 1997:

Art and Science, different enterprises...
I'm not sure that I agree. Our learning institiutions
tend to separate them(i.e. Bachelor of Arts or 
Bachelor of Science). They are not separated completely, but effectively they
are. I don't think that they should be separate. For example, my younger
brother intends to be an aerospace engineer. After 4 years of working on
airplnes in the Navy, he now works at a small airport working on planes and is
in college. It's a dirty job, but he is learning things that will enable him to
design better aircraft. The science of designing tempered by the art of
troubleshooting and creativity needed to fix airplanes. He is doing this
because the aerospace engineering curriculum lacks half of the equation. If you
have ever worked on your own car then you now the the engineers that build cars
are not in touch with the poor saps(myself included) that have to work on them.
How intuitive are high tech gadgets to the right brained(artistic). Some artsy
types that are my friends actually despise technology because they percieve a
lack of quality because of they eyes they use to view the world. I am lucky in
that I am not predominately left or right brained. I think that this view makes
it easy to see this disparity.


#6 of 15 by cybrvzhn on Thu Mar 13 22:18:32 1997:

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#7 of 15 by rcurl on Fri Mar 14 04:12:27 1997:

Jeff, you need to either enable gate - to wrap your text automatically -
or hit return on each line before you get to 80 characters. Your text
splits words, the way it wraps now.

Very few famous artists are also recognized scientists (despite the
example of Leonardo), and very few famous scientists are also recognized
artists (though some are). More particularly, doing art does not usually
resemble doing science, so I am justified to say they arise (usually) from
different enterprises. I am glad that your younger brother is going to be
as famous as Leonardo. 



#8 of 15 by lee on Wed Apr 23 23:16:31 1997:

Okay, philosophers, here's something that came up the other day:
"How do you define success in life?"


#9 of 15 by rcurl on Thu Apr 24 05:02:40 1997:

Exactly. *You* define success in life.


#10 of 15 by otter on Sun Apr 27 13:04:07 1997:

Nuff said.


#11 of 15 by scg on Mon Apr 28 02:15:16 1997:

The definition of success really depends on the person.  I'm certainly not
comfortable even trying to figure out how to define it for somebody else. 
For that matter, I'm not sure how I'd define it for myself, either.  There
are a number of ways it could be measured: having fun, getting things done,
doing things to help other people, learning a lot, making money, and numerous
other things.  I suspect most people to feel successful need some combination
of all of those, but that the amounts and proportions would vary depending
on the person.


#12 of 15 by rcurl on Tue Apr 29 04:50:39 1997:

...and change over time.


#13 of 15 by kentn on Sat May 3 00:58:27 1997:

...as in "changes day to day"


#14 of 15 by tat2ist on Mon Oct 13 18:13:15 1997:

Return to your difinitions.  Life is self-sustaining, self generating
activity.  If your actions keep you alive, and if you pass genetic material
to a new generation, you are successful.  Beyond this, life is an art, the
appreciation of which is subjective.


#15 of 15 by orinoco on Tue Dec 30 03:51:14 1997:

(I'd object, but I think Turbo Geek has probably stopped paying attention)

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