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Grex Info Item 277: Help with virus - ANTIEXE
Entered by mcpoz on Wed Mar 6 02:33:01 UTC 1996:

Help!  I have (or my computer has) a virus.  I have Antiexe and can't get rid
of it.  McAfee Scan229 finds it but can't get rid of it.  I have asked the
computer systems people at work and what they said is as follows:

"Removal should follow a cold boot from a known clean system diskette.

 Users of DOS 5.0 or later (I have 5.0) may remove the virus from a hard
 drive with the FDISK /MBR command (where available).  Otherwise, they 
 should copy the original MBS, stored at Track 0, sector 13, Head 0 back
 to its correct location at Track 0, Sector 1, Head ), using a sector editor"

Question:  Is it safe to try the FDISK /MBR command or do I stand a chance
of wiping out my disk?

Thanks,

11 responses total.



#1 of 11 by popcorn on Thu Mar 7 11:47:36 1996:

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#2 of 11 by mcpoz on Fri Mar 8 01:35:41 1996:

Yes, it apparantly doesn't do disastrous things, but I can't share any disks
with my work computer now.  The work computer shuts down if it detects a
virus.  I also tried F-Prot which is supposed to be a lot better than McAfee,
but it does exactly the same thing.  I think I am going to get up enough nerve
to try the FDISK /MBR command, but I don't know what I am risking by doing
so.

PS.  Yes, I was cold booting from a clean disk.



#3 of 11 by popcorn on Fri Mar 8 04:19:18 1996:

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#4 of 11 by orinoco on Sun Mar 10 13:58:12 1996:

<orinoco crosses his eyes>


#5 of 11 by scg on Sat Mar 16 07:09:19 1996:

Hmm.  The help for the Windows95 version of fdisk doesn't mention the /mbr
switch.


#6 of 11 by mcpoz on Sat Mar 16 12:08:01 1996:

It appears to be in versions of DOS 5.0 and above


#7 of 11 by mcpoz on Sat Mar 16 12:21:45 1996:

By the way, I thought I was booting from a clean disk, but I wasn't. 
Apparantly, I did a "DIR" on the disk before I booted and it must have picked
up the virus.  I finally got a totally new copy of a virus scan program and
booted it from the off position.  It found it and cleaned it.  I am not sure
how my other disks got infected, but I know I looked at them first.  

I recently bought a new (used) computer and thought that was the source.  Not
so!  All the software I bought with the new computer was clean as was the hard
disk.  I scanned all my own disks and found ANTI-EXE in abundance.  It was
not detectable by the older level Disk Scan I was using.  Some of the infected
disks were very old - not used for 5 yrs or so.

The Antiexe virus made the COMMAND.COM file slightly larger than it should
be.  Apparantly the virus scan software compares file sizes, although I don't
know how it knows what the file size should be.

Final note:  Maybe I forgot to write-protect the boot disk in my oriiginal
attempts.  This is listed as a requirement.  The antiexe virus is referred
to as a "stealth" virus which infects upon reading.


#8 of 11 by davel on Mon Mar 18 11:01:14 1996:

Yep, when you suspect you've got a virus, always write-protect every single
diskette you put into the drive as you try to fix the problem.


#9 of 11 by dam on Tue Mar 19 01:51:44 1996:

for future reference, the /mbr switch is an undocumented dos feature that
stands for "master boot record."  fdisk /mbr simply re-writes this record to
make it dos-nice.  it isn't a bad command, doesn't remove partitions, and
shouldn't destroy any data.
 
one thing it will do is remove LINUX LILO (linux loader) because LILO has its
executable code IN the mbr (just like a virus, in fact!).



#10 of 11 by mcpoz on Tue Mar 19 02:06:14 1996:

I might add that the software which was on the used computer I bought has
programs which other software sees as a virus.  The software, by Central Point
Software has MSAV/CPAV programs which reside on memory and are read by McAfee
as ISRAELI BOOT, OHIO, FILLER A, and other virus names.  This caused a lot
of confusion to me, but the latest McAfee gives you a warning on the subject.


#11 of 11 by scg on Tue Mar 19 08:40:46 1996:

Norton Anti-Virus thought Windows95 was a virus when I installed it on a
client's machine.  That was because Windows95's install (of course) had to
overwrite the MBR.

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