When I am on Lynx, every once in a while, I try to contact a hypertext
item and it is E X T R E M E L Y   S L O W.  The only way I have found
to recover is ^C which takes me completely out of Lynx.  Is there a 
way to recover and stay in Lynx?

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Hit "z" to abort loading an http document.

Thanks ! ! 

Is the reason for slow loading anything that I impact?  Or is it due to
transmission faults at the source or along the way?

Last I heard, the reason for the slow loading was something to
do with our Internet provider, ICNet, and the staff was going to
call them and get it sorted out "real soon now".

I do not remember that, Rob. Lynx is slow to load data because our
internet link is slow. It may be even slower than telnetting in because
the port (port 80) used for http is not given as high a priority
as the telnet port. This packet prioritization is done in the routers.

I am not aware of any plan to speed this up short of an upgrade to the
internet link bandwidth, which is not a project the board has authorized
any expenditure for yet.

You don't remember?  One week, the speed of http connections
went WAAAY down, and sometimes only went 28 bytes at a time.
Someone - I think steve - mentioned that we had been shunted
from our own modem at ICNet, to the general modem pool.
The 28-byte-thingy I assume is the router's problem, but
I know http connections used to be a lot faster than they are
now, and I only have my earlier experience on Grex to compare
it to.

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If that's the case, then I don't understand it either...

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What was their answer?

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Our contact person with Ivars is a parameter now?
And how do you justify physical abuse?

<whack! whack!>

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I kinda suck at configuring anything but cisco's and t1's, but if I can
be of any assistance, let me know.  

Has anyone ever considered asking Ivars how much an ISDN line would be?
I think that the hardware can be gotten for just over $1000, and the
cost from Ameritch (home useage quote) is around 50$ a month.  Then the
single connect charge from Ameritech (no per useage basis), then
whatever Ivars would charge for a port on his equipment.

I know that Grex rasied the capitol to get the Gig drive, and I am sure
a 64 kb link would be loved by the grex users.  I think that if people
were interested, that grex could keep the cost down to less then $150 a
month, pending what Ivars charged...

But anyway, let me know if I can be of any help...

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I want a t3 at my house :P

My server just got an isdn line and when I go up to the campus I will be
directly linked onto it. What does this do for mew? What can I do differant
than on my 14.4?

You can take fewer coffee breaks between characters.

Only if the system load is low enough!

I would say that, instead of upgrading the speed of the main grex
machine, you should instead think about getting even more of these slow
low-end machines, then combining them together on a LAN of some sort
(FDDI preferably).  What are the largest CPU hogs currently?  I would
think that things like our local IRC equivalent, and the www traffic
can be done on a different machine.  I would think that even PicoSpan
could be off-loaded onto a different machine.  Then that would leave
the fastest machine for peoples home directories and mail.

I know that grex is currently an old sun.  Has anyone in the sysadm
group ever worked on RT's?  I think that I could lay my hands on a
couple of them to put into Grex's architecture...  I would have to
check on that though...

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Regarding the ISDN thing.  I understand that you can get a low end ISDN
conversion box (TA) for ~$400.  The charge for home installation from
Ameritech is ~$150.  The monthly charge is ~$45.  The only other
recurring charge is the "connection" fee that Ameritech charges when
making an intiial connection to the far end ($7).  I do not know what
Ivars charges, but these costs so far only come to ~$750 for
installation, then ~$60 month.

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So who in the Grex community is in the engineering planning group?

Gee, and here I thought it was called "The Poor Saps Who Get Stuck with
All the Dirty Work".

An isdn line wouldn't affect the telnetters would it?

John: <grin> Sorry for the confusion.  I'll change the question a little...

"So who here are the poor saps that get stuck with all the Dirty Work?"

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Re ISDN & Telnet:

ISDN is part of the link layer.  The same way that you modem is part of
the link layer when connecting to a PPP provider.  TCP/IP is not
(supposedly) affected by the link layer.  

So, no, ISDN will not affect telnetters, other then giving them (and
other application layer stuff) a larger bandwidth to do things in.

In other words, it would affect the telnetters.  It would make their
connection a lot faster, until more people discover Grex and slow it down
again.

Cool, So what is the appx. baud rate equivilant of an isdn line?

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ISDN has two data channels which carry 64k each. Together they can be used
to carry 128k bits/sec. The cost of getting packets switched at these
rates is about $250/month per channel from a commercial provider.

This is about 4.5 times the speed of our current link, but the packet charges
for our current link are being donated. Unless we can beg, borrow, or
sweet-talk a better rate, we don't have the cash flow to do this.

Is that how much Ivars is charging?  Does that "include" the charges
from Ameritech?  Does that include the hardware at the customer prem?

I would have thought that the cost from a provider would have been
less.  But there still is pretty much a monopoly out there.  I think
that ICnet is the only local provider that has the hardware in place.
I have heard that a newstart Rustnet is ready to go, but I am not sure.
Does MSEN have an ISDN equipment?

Anyway, that is off the subject.  Is the $250 a current quote from
Ivars?

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Lets just link it

The original topic of this item isn't really Coop material.  It's
the drift that should be in Coop.

OK OK, sorry!  I have joined co-op, and am starting to wade thru the
items.  I have the fear though, that if I bring these issues up in the
co-op conference, that I might get drafted to do some real work.  <grin>

It will take me some time to find the right item in co-op.  And I
promise that I will not say another word about ISDN in this conference!

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I am not gonna say anything!  <grin>

There's no draft on Grex.  It's an all-volunteer army, er, system.
The danger is that you might get *interested* in doing some real
work.  Then you're a goner.

As you say, Colonel!  <grin>

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