I'm having lots of problems!  I was viwing the !change menu and looking at all
of them, I changed my mail thing to UCB but now I can't mail anyone, pine
didn't work either, what is the default for when you create a login, and how do
I switch back to it?

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somone please help argh!

and another thing whenever I get done typing in mail it gives me a funkydoddle
message and won't send the mail

"write help", folks, that's what we're her for...  If nothing else,
stop by party and ask there, most partiers are willing to
help when they can.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, kain.  Why won't pine or regular
mail work?  How are you invoking them?

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It had better be his .profile, not his .login, Valerie.  (But you must know
that, to have seen those SENDMAIL= & READMAIL= lines.)  Hmm...editor is
set to bbsed, which should allow editing of a file with a dumb terminal.

I have a couple of mail questions:

#1.  How come mail (PINE) is so slow?  When I type "mail" at the OK 
command lately, I wait as much as 10 minutes before I get the PINE menu.

#2.  Is there any advantage of Elm over Pine or vica versa?  I feel 
     comfortable in Pine, but have heard that Elm has more capability.
     I tried Elm once and it was a disaster.  For one thing, I could not
     figure out how to add another addressee after I had already left that
     field.  Pine seems great - am I missing something by forgetting Elm?
Thanks

(1)  I never use Pine, but my mom does.  Whenever I visit her
and she uses Pine on Grex, it takes ludicrously long for it
to load.  Elm isn't exactly fast, but it's a lot faster than
Pine.

(2)  When Elm asks you to send, edit, forget it, or
modify headers, select h for headers.  This will let
you change the To:, Cc:, Subject:, etc.

I find it interesting that most help-seekers use Pine,
while most helpers use Elm.  I like Elm a lot better,
but even I see little difference between the two, apart from
the speed of Elm and Pine's address book capability
(which I really really really wish Elm had).

[not applicable on this system, but...]

Pine was the first mailer to use the IMAP protocol.  In fact, they
developed this protocol because other most used protocol, POP3, was
still pretty much not useful to people that wanted to use a single
machine for mail, but just access it remotely.  POP3 just downloaded
the mail to you local machine, then assumed that was all you needed.

In an environment where the ultimate goal is the media-less, generic
workstation, IMAP is a thing of beauty.  This plus the fact that, it
you are on a reasonable workstation (sorry but grex can be a load
<grin>), pine con be very nice.

Of course, I think that I would prefer emacs <insert_word_here> over
pine, but that would open another religious war.  <grin>

I'm not positive exactly what Pine is doing internally, but there's no
question but that it's a major system hog.  It definitely manages to
consume lots more CPU time than seems reasonable, so it's not at all
surprising it performs so badly on grex.

with regular    mail   plus the vi editor and a couple of alises (one
is a grep, the other a tail) , i have gotten good performance from
Grex, almost regardles of load averages.

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and the biggest trick is to avoid using any mailer unless absolutely
necessary ....

So, are you saying that we should get rid of the mail programs and talk
to sendmail directly?  :)

*Real* programmers telnet directly to SMTP ports...

Telnet?  Real programmers don't go anywhere near telnet.  They
open /dev/mem and modify the kernel data structures to transmit and
receive the message.  (They use "touch" and "ls" to do this, too.)

<sigh> I'll *never* qualify, I guess.

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