Help download programs from mailbox

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Yes?  Which mail program are you using?  Can you do Z-Modem?
How about Kermit?

Is that programs or text? I "download" mail by displaying and "save
selection", without bothering with x-y-zmodem.

There are to mac programs, a mactcp patch
and "anarchie." robh informed me this wasn't
possible with my current dial in status.
Will try when my new account's online. Then
perhaps I can FTP in and get them?
Many thanks

For those interested in learning more about Zmodem (sz, rz, DSZ, 
GSZ), I've put several files of documentation in /u/kentn/zmodem/.  
Some of the files are gzip'd to save space so use   zmore fyle.gz  or   
zcat fyle.gz |more  to read them.  An index of sorts is there so you 
don't have to look at everything to find something of interest.  I'll 
probably add a few more small files if this is of enough interest. The
documentation includes Xmodem & Ymodem.

sure - it's better than the sparce information, thankxx.

I need help downloading text.  On my other computer, just downloading zmodem
would do it, but on my Apple IIGS, whenever I download something with zmodem,
it turns up in a binary file, which I can't decode.  I can read it with
ShrinkIt, but I can't print is, or save it, or anything.  Is there anyway to
just send ASCII text, or are any of you familiar with Apple IIGS so you can
help me out.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

It sounds like the Z-modem implementation on your IIGS is not recognnizing
the fact that the file is Ascii. I know a lot more about Macs than I do about
the Apple II. I don;t know if it is safe to assume that it uses the same
line-end convention as the Mac, namely ^M. Unix uses ^J, and the conversion
is done by the download, if it is sent as ascii. Since it was sent as binary,
what you are lacking ins this conversion.

A workaround would be to convert the file to ^M on Grex before downloading
to your IIGS.  You can do this with the tr command.
tr '[\n]' '[\r]' <file >fileforIIGS
will read file and write fileforIIGS in the desired format.

Thanks, but I don't think that's it.  What I think I need is somebody familiar
with the Apple IIGS (good luck!) to help me with this.  The problem doesn't
seem to be with the line endings, it's just that the text files come in
binary, and I don't know how do decode them.  With the Apple II archival
application, ShrinkIt, I can view the text exactly as I want it, but not print
it, save it, modify it, or anything.

I believe the Apple II series used ^J, but I could be wrong.

   What comm program are you using?  One possible way to do this would be
to view the file with !cat file  and save the log (or a portion of it,
anyway).

Or use kermit instead of zmodem.  (Also depending on the comm program).

Re 9:
   I'm using ProTERM.  I might have to do what you suggested.
Re 10:
   My comm program will do that, but I'm not familiar with kermit, or how to
set up the transfer on Grex's end.

To start kermit, type "!kermit" (and press return).  Then type
"send filename" (and press return).  Then choose "receive download"
or whatever the command is in ProTERM to start a Kermit download.
After the download, at the "C-Kermit>" prompt, type "quit."

Sending it kermit worked!  Thanks!

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A few comments here.  First ProTerm's Kermit is so-so, which is to
say, use it only as a last resort (it doesn't do long packets, etc.).
Second, I thought if you start the zmodem send with 'sz -a' it will
tell the other side that the file is ASCII rather than binary (doesn't
zmodem default to binary transfer mode?; I hope so, or a lot of my
downloads are toast ;). ProTerm's zmodem should pick it up from there.
Seems to me, also that if you have AppleWriter 2.x working on your GS
(no reason why you should, btw, although it is now freeware), it was
always pretty good at fixing bad line ends and such.  It's been awhile
since I've delved into my Apple II's so there might even be several
other line end convertor utilities that would be easier to use on the
//gs side of things.

For that matter, there are a couple scripts for Unix that have been
available on the Apple II archive sites (that use tr as earlier suggested)
called 'atou' and 'utoa' (actually, the same script linked or copied
to the other name) which can fix the line-ends on the Unix side of the
transfer before you send.  I put a copy of atou in /u/kentn/atou if you
want it, coyote.  It only works on Unix (and no reason why it shouldn't
work for Mac text files also, as they use the same line end character, ^M,
last I heard).  Good luck.

Thanks!  I tried using sz -a, and it worked.  That's all I had to do.  I might
still try messing with AppleWriter and atou, just to see if they make any kind
of difference.  Thanks again, people with Apple IIs are hard to find... ;)

Cool, glad you got your downloads working.  There are still a lot of
][ people around, but I'm not sure how many are on Grex.  There are a
number of Usenet groups still very active in Apple II topics, though.
The reference to AppleWriter was more toward its search and replace
capabilities than to anything it does automatically when loading a file.
The best way to fix these line end problems is to not have them in the
first place (using zmodem to do the translation, that is).  I use atou to
fix files on the Unix side that have been received with Apple line ends
(though you could use it to set Apple line ends on Unix files prior to
sending as a binary via zmodem).

Thanks again.  Once Grex's Usenet is up again, I'll look into some of those
newsgroups.  (If their still around by the time Grex's Usenet is back up.)
  ;)

Just three more months :)

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