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The Vegetarian Society of the U.K.  (VSUK)  publishes the "International
Vegetarian Travel Guide", which concentrates on Veg. Restaurants & guesthousts
in England & Europe, listing establishments for each city in every country.

Phone & order the latest guide.  It's about 4 pounds, and you can put it on
your Mastercard or Visa.  Using a credit card avoids you the conversion problem
& international money order charge (most banks charge FIVE dollars!). ATTENTION
from the USA, be SURE to specify AIR-MAIL, or it'll take two months by ship.
   The International Vegetarian Travel Guide
     "Lists hundreds of places to eat out & stayover!"   about 4 pounds
   The Vegetarian Handbook  
     "The guide to living a vegetarian lifestyle!"       about 3 pounds

Also, you can become a member of VSUK via phone, and then you'd receive
their [great] magazine called , surprisingly enuf, "The Vegetarian" and the
Vegetarian Handbook.  They also have a children's quarterly magazine.
I think the magazine is 10 pounds.  With membership 16 pounds.  Airmail
delivery is 10 pounds additional.
VSUK;    Parkdale, Dunham Road;    Altrincham, Cheshire WA14 4QG;    ENGLAND
Telephone: (061)928-0793   [for USA dialers, the country code is 44, so to
direct-dial most of us would dial:  011 44 61 928-0793  ]
Remark:  If you do travel about, the VSUK solicits your help:  if you
have any additions/changes to info. in the Handbook, send it in to them.

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Most airlines will also accomodate vegetarian and vegan meal requests.
(And lots of these meals are better than the carnivorous ones.)

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I usually fly North West when I have to go to San Jose, CA. There is a 
stop in Minn. where I usually try to grab a bite. I don't even try to
eat on these planes anymore, I usually just bring a sack lunch. I used
to have a thing about "getting my money's worth" so I would suffer 
through all the horrible airplane vegitarian meals but now I find that
I maintain my sanity better if I don't even bother.

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   Dunno, I think even the Northworst vegetarian meals are better
than the mystery-meat-drenched-in-a-bad-sauce ones that everyone
else gets.  But I try to fly United, anyway.  Mainly because their
union has been trying to buy out the airline, and management didn't
try to break them for it (unlike Eastern and Continental).

I haven't flown for 3 years or so but Delta had a good lacto veggie
meal - they gave me several choices. I had eggplant parmijon <?sp>
a good salid and fresh homemade brown bread.  Later snack was 
pita bread and homus and trail mix.  All good except the other
passengers were almost ready to kill me for the food they gave me
Often you can call an airline ahead of time and order from 
 several choices.  BTW Japan Air lines has great veggie food.

My sister who works for Northwest advises vegetarians to order the
fruit plate instead of the vegie meals.  They are always meatless,
most often diary-free, and generally fresher and better tasting than
any of the other meals.  My experience is that she is correct.

Dairy-free.

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Most college campus resturants do not offer a very good vege cusine...when
my organization approached the universtiy with this problem we were fined
large sums of money for lost bussiness...the next week we blocked the entrance
to the building housing the university food service...all fines were droped and
 more veges are seen now...just a little attention goes a long way

topic rainbow gathering

(I am using Dunja's login)
I am Carsten, a Dutch anthropology student from Holland. I want to
studytravellers and new-age types in America/Canada. Does anyone know an
adress (normal or E-mail) of someone living in tribal ways (I know people like
that are unlikely to hoe either a mailbox or a computer, but I want to try
anyway). Or maybe you know someone in the USA who might know something about
where to find or how to establish contact with tribal/new age/travellers.
please help I am desperate.

Welcome Carsten. Good luck.  I hope you find what you're looking for.

My most awful experience was in Korean Air. They haven't even heard about
vegetarianism. They looked at me like seeing a guy who just landed from Mars

I've been a vegetarian over 20 years now.  Don't know of any tribal folks 
with email addresses Dunja, but I'll be onteh lookout. 

Hi, all ! I too am a vegetarian and plan to stay like that for the rest of
my life.

Hi, you!  Where are you located?  Maybe we can have a vegetarian potluck some
time if you are in Ann Arbor.

Hi, I am in my car (which smells to hell because the exhaust is awful)...I
just opened a an of Spam (r), devoured the contents, and then chucked the
empty can at a flock of birds...
*burp* Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Welcome to Grex, Christopher.  ;)

Hi, I'm new to this thing but so it goes,

First off, does anyone know if there's some kind of "officail" label for 
folks who eat fish and seafood but no other types o' meat?  I've been 
one of these, whatever they are, for about 12 years now, so should 
probably know the label.

Also, if you ever happen to be in Victoria, B.C. - which is where I was 
last week - be sure to go to a place called Re-bar, they are all veggie 
and make an awesome "Monk's Curry" with chick peas and tofu.

Welcome Steve!

As far as I knew people who eat fish and seafood, but no other types of meat
have no special designation -- which seems odd since one step further and you
get into all kinds of gradients of vegetarian. 

I guess you can pick one, if you want, and let us know what it is.  Then we'll
have an "official" term -- at least here.  ;)

non-mammalivores?  non-red-meat-eaters?

"'official' label for folks who eat fish and seafood but no other types 'o
meat?"
Um, yes...I believe they are called lesbians.  Ask any of the chick's in
"femme" they'll tell you.

zink, have you checked out arbornet?  I think you would enjoy sharing your
sense of humor with the people there, rather than joining our serious
discussions here, where people will probably ignore your comments.  You can
reach arbornet by dialing  996-4644.

Well, um, thanks for the interesting input zink, but I do believe the term
lesbian already has a rather meaningful definition unrelated to eating
habits... 

yep, I can vouch for that.  Lesbian has a very specific meaning the has
nothing to do with dietary habits.  Actually it has two meanings.

It can refer to an inhabitant of the island of Lesbos, off the coast of
Greece, or it can refer to a woman who prefers the love of other women.

We'l have to keep looking for that word that signifies a person who eats fish
and seafood, but not poultry or meat.

What reasons do people have for killing chickens but not sheep?  Do they feel
that they have less kinship with the chickens, that chickens do less harm to
the environment, or that killing and eating chickens does less harm to their
personal health?  Modern day chickens are also quite high in fat and
antibiotics, like cows.

I think it has to do with an older approach to vegetarianism.  Sheep are
mammals -- some people won't eat mammals, but have no such qualms about "lower
life forms" like fish or birds.  I think they are concerned with the amount
of pain the creature feels in harvesting or something, but I'm not sure I
remember the arguments I read back in the 70's clearly enough to reproduce
them here.

Do bird brains feel less pain than mouse brains?

pain issues aside, for me it boils down to the fact that I never liked the
taste of sheep, or beef, or chicken for that matter. combined with other
experiences such as when I was living in Nepal (Peace Corps) and had to chase
the family's chickens out of my outhouse every morning
 - pretty nasty creatures in my opinion,
 in fact as a Travel guide suggestion for veggies I definitely recommend Nepal,
 and their national food of rice, lentils, and curried veggies called "Dal
 Bhaat" - anyone know of a Nepali (Not Indian) restaurant in are anywhere near
 Ann Arbor??

There is something Northern Indian in Braun Court with a buffet, is that at
all close?  There used to be something Tibetan on Main St., is it still there?

zink...you rule!
hahahahahha!
<BRAAAAAAAP!>

re: 28          Well, I have to say, between sheep and chickens, I think sheep
taste better.  Chicken is good, basic, but sheep is a real treat.

I feel the same way - red meat tastes like much more of a treat to me.  But
I do wonder whether that would be the same if chicken were the cheaper meat
to produce or to buy.  That is, I wonder if it's just that relative scarcity
makes it taste "better."  
Back when refrigeration was more difficult, ice cream was a real delicacy.
I imagine it must have tasted much more exciting to people back then, who
couldn't have it every day if they wanted like we can.

Carp is a real treat in Eastern Europe, where it is a traditional New Year's
dish.  Beans are expensive and therefore a treat in Hungary.  Fish is now a
gourmet item here, whereas canned salmon used to be what 'poor people' ate.

Hmm.  Good examples.  Cool.

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