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Grex Helpers Item 97: Grex System Announcements Item [linked]
Entered by i on Thu Mar 22 04:35:52 UTC 2001:

This item is for system announcements (new computer equipment on Grex, 
system upgrades, Grex meetings, etc.).  Personal announcements should go 
back in item 2; Grex system *problems* belong in the next item (#4). 

44 responses total.



#1 of 44 by kabzi on Fri Mar 30 17:23:14 2001:

where can i get a online tutorial for linux?


#2 of 44 by aruba on Sun Apr 1 18:26:21 2001:

The 6th edition of the Grex Auction is now open for business!  "join
auction" at the next Picospan prompt, or click on the appropriate buttons in
Backtalk.


#3 of 44 by kennstar on Fri Apr 6 22:30:32 2001:

edit /server 194.119.238.162 6669
spell
UK
write
help
/6669/6666
set ok
exit


#4 of 44 by carson on Fri Apr 6 23:25:05 2001:

(hmm.  I give it a 12... for age.)


#5 of 44 by rcurl on Sat Apr 7 05:08:58 2001:

What are the clues that suggest that?


#6 of 44 by aruba on Mon Apr 30 13:12:49 2001:

There are more items in the Grex auction!  I just entered a bunch more
books.  If you haven't been to the auction conference yet, come look soon!


#7 of 44 by kennstar on Tue May 15 07:13:00 2001:

kennstar.org

Done
q


#8 of 44 by girl on Wed May 16 03:10:13 2001:

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#9 of 44 by jp2 on Fri May 18 15:56:24 2001:

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#10 of 44 by carson on Sun May 20 08:17:27 2001:

(IWLTA that Grex has now been up, continuously, for over 90 days.
that's incredible.)


#11 of 44 by beeswing on Mon May 21 05:28:54 2001:

Hehehhehehhhh....


#12 of 44 by senna on Mon May 21 09:44:59 2001:

Yes, what interesting timing you have, carson.


#13 of 44 by remmers on Mon May 21 11:06:38 2001:

(He jinxed it!)


#14 of 44 by bru on Mon May 21 11:10:00 2001:

Damned you Carson!  You are the one resposible for this debacle!  :-)


#15 of 44 by carson on Mon May 21 14:09:34 2001:

(ok.  I disappear for year.)  (:


#16 of 44 by steve on Mon May 21 17:28:52 2001:

   Grex had a bizarre problem with the disk that holds /c,
which seems to have started about 6am Sunday.  Basically,
it didn't want to talk to the disk controller.  When Scott
came by to reboot it, the /c disk sat there in a hung
state and wouldn't do anything.

   Marcus and I got to the Pumpkin late Sunday night and
saw what Scott did.  Looking at the disk it became clear
that it was truly filthy, and got a ton of dust blown off
it.  After cleaning it as best we could we let it sit on
the table cooling down (not that it was really that hot
to start with) in the hopes that the electronics was simply
in a stange state because of the heat.

   After about an hour we put it back in the disk box,
started Grex up, and waited to see if the disk activity
light would stay on permently when being probed, or if it
would flash on and off again as it should.

   It flashed; Marcus and I felt much better about things,
and started to make a dump of /c.  Once that was done about
two hours later, we brought Grex back up so it could deal
with mail for about an hour, and then permit people to log
in again.

   It's been about 12 hours since Grex came up and the
error log has no record of sd4 (/c) doing anything bad, so
we might be OK.  We're going to change this disk out anyway,
as this was a used disk when we got it, and we've put more
than a solid year of continuous use on it.

   We have a backup of /c right now, and there is a tape in
the drive such that I can do a dump of everything that has
changed since last night, and we'll be making these incremental
backups each night 'till we get a new disk online.



#17 of 44 by aruba on Mon May 21 20:01:19 2001:

Thanks STeve & Marcus!


#18 of 44 by senna on Tue May 22 00:32:17 2001:

Thanks for the hard work.  The value of the services provided to grex (and,
by extension, to me and others like me) by staffers like Scott, STeve, Marcus,
and others, is incalculable.


#19 of 44 by steve on Tue May 22 01:31:49 2001:

   Well, it's been 20 hours now and Grex hasn't crumbled.  This is a
good sign.


#20 of 44 by steve on Tue May 22 16:17:45 2001:

   It's been 34 hours now and no problems with sd4.  Thinking about
this, we had a problem like this a long time ago, where a scsi disk
locked up and did exactly what happend to sd4 this last Sunday.  I'm
not going to say that sd4 is OK, but I do remember that we've seen
this problem once before, on I think this Sun-4/670 card, or perhaps
the previous Sun-4/260 system.

   On monday night I made a level 1 dump of /c, which saved all the
files that were modified since the last backup.  It took about 20
minutes to do, took up .05 tapes, and is a reasonable form of
insurance if we have problems soon.  Tonight I'll do another dump
at the end of the tape, which will contain all the files modified
Monday and Tuesday, and I'll keep doing that 'till we've changed
the disk out or decided that sd4 really is OK.  Doing a backup when
the system is up isn't perfect, in that "active" files aren't backed
up quite right, but there are a small number of files open on /c at
any given time, so at least 99.9%+ will be correctly saved.


#21 of 44 by w88101 on Thu May 24 11:12:23 2001:

Such fun I wouldnt trust the drive myself... mind you I have killed a
few of my own drives (miss my fuji sob sob) Hope it all works out


#22 of 44 by lionfish on Thu May 24 18:42:28 2001:

Thanks steve for the work you're doing :-]


#23 of 44 by steve on Thu May 24 23:20:54 2001:

   90 hours so far without a disk glitch.  I've made two level 1
dumps since Sunday night to catch things that have changed, just
in case...


#24 of 44 by w88101 on Fri May 25 11:21:54 2001:

I was getting some strange errors earlier.


#25 of 44 by i on Fri May 25 21:21:45 2001:

Could you provide some details and specifics?  


#26 of 44 by steve on Fri May 25 23:22:48 2001:

   There are no more errors from sd4 since the reboot.  The strange
errors could be lots of things.  Details will help us figure out 
what they are...


#27 of 44 by steve on Sat May 26 00:13:01 2001:

   Grex had a vandal attack today which actually managed to do
something.  It was reminiscent of the old "fork bomb" days of
old; I managed to kill it and the vandal, but we still have to
figure what this dear little character did.

   In the mean time, I'd forgotten about the /etc/nlogin file
I'd put into place to keep further logins off Grex, so we were
disallowing logins for about 50 minutes where we should have
been allowing them.  Sorry about that...

   Thanks to dea for informing me both of the initial attack and
my successive forgetfulness.


#28 of 44 by russ on Sat May 26 18:31:06 2001:

STeve et al...

When the "nologin" is in effect, the modems hang up before
they've had a chance to dump their data.  Because of this,
in two calls all I saw of the message that's supposed to
be displayed was "Sorry"; the rest of it was lost in noise.

Can you please fix this feature so it delays a couple seconds
for the data to actually be delivered to the user?  Better yet:
if you're not allowing logins, just drop DTR to the modems so
they don't answer.


#29 of 44 by lionfish on Sat May 26 18:52:26 2001:

Re 27 - The fork bomb is remarkably easy to do - to test it i did it on my
linux machines upstairs. I dunno how to protect a machine from the forkbomb
(apart from disconneting the telnet port) - i'm thinking of setting up a
telnet server in the UK after the exams - but i want to learn how to protect
my computer from these attacks.
I'm wondering if the grex staff (who have a lot of experience with security
etc) might point me in the right direction on the net etc. Thanks for the help
              From Lionfish.


#30 of 44 by scott on Sat May 26 20:47:27 2001:

We're protected from most ways of doing a fork bomb, thanks to some special
code Marcus stuck into the fork() call.  But once in a while somebody gets
creative and finds a way.


#31 of 44 by mdw on Sun May 27 00:03:45 2001:

The recent vandal attack wasn't a "fork bomb".  Grex has a kernel module
that hooks the "fork" call and looks for excessive fork failures.  The
code is SunOS 4 specific as written; it could probably be ported to
OpenBSD and maybe Linux but won't be useful to anyone who isn't
interested in or already knows about how to write kernel load modules
for their OS.


#32 of 44 by janc on Mon May 28 06:52:48 2001:

I was in the pumpkin today with Mark doing an inventory.  While I was at it,
I snapped some pictures with my digital camera and generated a new, updated
Pumpkin tour page.  The old one had four-year old pictures.  The new one
is at http://www.wwnet.net/~janc/grextech/pumpkin/


#33 of 44 by n8nxf on Tue May 29 12:29:05 2001:

Lovely!


#34 of 44 by aruba on Tue May 29 16:03:20 2001:

A very nice page, Jan.  Thanks for doing it.


#35 of 44 by janc on Tue May 29 17:19:02 2001:

As a special added treat, the tour includes a picture of Mark taking
inventory.


#36 of 44 by tsty on Thu May 31 03:29:47 2001:

great pages, really - thankxx


#37 of 44 by janc on Tue Jun 5 21:02:40 2001:

I have successfully installed a second SCSI controller in Grex.  I hooked up
to it a recently donated drive bay containing seven disk drives, each holding
a bit more than 4 Gig.  The drives still need to be formatted, partitioned,
and tested before Grex can actually start using them, but I think we are
getting pretty close to being able to add a lot more disk to Grex than we'll
know what to do with for a while.


#38 of 44 by janc on Wed Jun 6 00:29:31 2001:

% df
Filesystem            kbytes    used   avail capacity  Mounted on
/dev/sd6g            1969885       9 1772888     0%    /mnt
/dev/sd6h            1971009       9 1773900     0%    /mnt2

So now we just have to do some testing to convince us that this drive is
really OK, and then figure out what to do with it.  One of the two partitions
might be a replacement for /c, which gave us a scare a while back (but has
shown no signs of problems since).


#39 of 44 by tpryan on Wed Jun 6 00:35:10 2001:

        If /c matches /a or /b, it might be worth thinking to re-assgn
/c, and use the drive as a hot spare for /a and /b.
        Why do you call the Mount MNut?


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