In the last week, I have helped about 5 people who were having 
problems due to the fact that they did not have .login or
.cshrc files and were using csh.  So far, my solution has been
to copy mine and edit out all the modifications.  Then I have
them copy it.  If anyone would like to have a helpee copy these
files, they are /home/brenda/.login.2 and /home/brenda/.cshrc.2

They're just about as generic as you can get, but the ^ chars
and term type may need to be changed .  If ther's some way to
automatically give these files to people when they spcifiy
csh or tcsh, it would really hep to alleviate this problem.

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We know, we know!

The staff has some reason for not doing this, but I can't remember
what it was.  They also mentioned they might change things when
we got the new disk, giving people all three resource files when
they run newuser, regardless of which shell they choose.

(Note that I do not use the stupid non-existent word "irregardless".
Except for just then.  >8)

congratulations rob!  I hate that phrase too.  :)
but just to reiterate:  anyone can copy those files from
me.  That's why I put them there.

Brenda, how did they come to have no .login or .cshrc? That does happen
if you change shell from /b to /csh, without creating those two files
first (I did that!), but there is also a recent bug in the system that
is zapping a .cshrc and other files, rarely and randomly. If it is the
latter problem, incidences of this should be documented and the 
information sent to staff.

Actually, I did recently have a user with a .cshrc and a .login,
even though his shell was bbs.  I assumed he was trying to change
his shell and it didn't work.

most of the ones I have encountered have changed shells and not had the 
necessary files.

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I think the heart of this system is its unix operating system, and all
other interfaces or programs - or shells - running in that. It's also
where one does "real computing". New users unfamiliar with unix don't have
to know how it works, but when they want to know more, *they* can make
menu or lynx just a program to call. I've told helpees how to do this by
editing their .login. This, at least, is the opinion of this unix newbie. 

irregardless seems redundant....well I had this problem my self when first on.
Mdw helped me with it, he told me to run icant and it did the trick without a
hitch and I'm a newbie and still don't know unix or what icant did or even what
th e problem is for that matter...but it is fixed. Just thought you might like
to hear this from someone like me...dumb.

What was the exact thing you typed to run icant.  Where were you, etc.?

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#11 may have been true two yrs ago ... <g>
  
rigth now i'm trying to locate icant. presuming here, is there a backup?

after the load went down, here is the result ...
  
/a/m/d/mdw/bin/icant
/a/m/d/mdw/icant
/a/m/d/mdw/icant/.cshrc
/a/m/d/mdw/icant/.login
/a/r/e/remmers/icant
/a/r/o/robh/dedicant
/usr/local/bin/icant
/usr/local/grex-scripts/icant
/usr/share/man/cat3/significant.3m
/usr/share/man/man3/significant.3m
  
it appears that the script to use is   /usr/local/bin/icant, for the record.

/usr/local/bin is where it *should* be ...

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