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Grex Helpers Item 31: trouble with overfilled mailboxes
Entered by kaplan on Wed Aug 23 18:00:08 UTC 1995:

A help seeker today told me that her mailbox had been compressed and she
didn't seem to get it.  I told her how to gunzip the file and read it with
pine.  Have a lot of people been confused by having their mail moved out
of the mail spool?  Do we need to compose a better message of explanation
to people who have to have their mail taken out of the spool? 

15 responses total.



#1 of 15 by rcurl on Wed Aug 23 18:08:29 1995:

I wouldn't be surprised. The casual user just wants to get (and maybe read?)
mail, and doesn't concern themselves about spools or filespace, etc. They
would also not know anything about compression. We are moving into the
era of "user friendly interfaces", where general ignorance is endemic.


#2 of 15 by carson on Thu Aug 24 05:51:55 1995:

what's in the text of the current letter?


#3 of 15 by popcorn on Thu Aug 24 12:37:28 1995:

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#4 of 15 by popcorn on Thu Aug 24 12:39:13 1995:

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#5 of 15 by kaplan on Thu Aug 24 21:21:46 1995:

I told the person yesterday that uncompress was only for .Z files, and
she'd need to use gunzip.  I think the next thing that confused her is
that I told her to !gunzip right now (while in write) and it worked
silently and she didn't realize it had done anything.  I also told her
that she should go into pine first and tell pine to look at mailbox
../delete_me 

I wonder if it would be worth adding to the message a suggestion to 
 zcat delete_me; rm delete_me
or whatever to download and remove the file.

And there should be a way to make pine behave like mail - move the mail
from the spool after you've read it.  I think that would help a lot.


#6 of 15 by popcorn on Fri Aug 25 04:35:52 1995:

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#7 of 15 by kaplan on Fri Aug 25 16:33:28 1995:

Easy to fix.  

uncompress -v delete_me

v for verbose.


#8 of 15 by robh on Fri Aug 25 22:14:47 1995:

Maybe we could provide an easier-to-use shell script which
runs "uncompress -v delete_me"?  Maybe even dumps the user
into the mail handler of their choice with the "-f delete_me"
option set?


#9 of 15 by popcorn on Sat Aug 26 21:54:02 1995:

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#10 of 15 by kaplan on Sun Aug 27 04:28:49 1995:

Are you sure there aren't a lot of pine users who don't know that they're
supposed to delete old messages?


#11 of 15 by rcurl on Mon Aug 28 21:39:04 1995:

It would help if pine had monthly folders for old mail, like it does for
sent mail, and offers to delete each old folder when the new one is
created. 


#12 of 15 by popcorn on Wed Aug 30 13:29:09 1995:

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#13 of 15 by rcurl on Wed Aug 30 17:27:32 1995:

Re #12: I changed my default to save sent mail. However I don't see an
option in .pinerc to move mail from the spool to a folder (as "incoming
mail") at the end of each month. If it were automatic, the spool would
be much relieved.


#14 of 15 by kaplan on Thu Aug 31 16:16:37 1995:

Re 12 re 10:  Yes, I know that.  I meant that some pine users read new
mail and leave it (and all old mail) in the spool directory because it
doesn't work like the "mail" program and move mail you've seen to a file
like ~/mbox.  You have to explicitly delete or save each message.


#15 of 15 by popcorn on Fri Sep 1 14:01:08 1995:

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