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Grex Femme Item 71: Tips for getting efficiency out of women employees - from 1943
Entered by valerie on Mon Jan 20 02:51:48 UTC 1997:

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#1 of 37 by janc on Mon Jan 20 07:02:11 1997:

Hmmm...actually most of those are pretty good ways to keep men happy too.


#2 of 37 by robh on Mon Jan 20 16:07:22 1997:

Yeah, but we're not supposed to admit it.  >8)


#3 of 37 by valerie on Mon Jan 20 21:25:11 1997:

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#4 of 37 by robh on Tue Jan 21 07:21:08 1997:

You should have replaced the previous occurences of "men" with
"women", saying "men... can't shrug off harsh words the way men
do" seems a little silly.  >8)

Other than items 4, 8, and 10, that looks quite appropriate really.

<robh rushes off to the restroom to apply lipstick and tidy his,
er, scalp>


#5 of 37 by scott on Tue Jan 21 12:15:59 1997:

Well, it's still pretty appropriate, though.

I would have done 3 passes of search-and-replace:
woman->thingy
man->woman
thingy-man

to avoid some of the confusion.


#6 of 37 by valerie on Tue Jan 21 15:32:04 1997:

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#7 of 37 by omni on Wed Jan 22 05:12:59 1997:

8)  Give every boy an adequate number of rest periods during the day.
 > You have to make some allowances for masculine psychology.  A boy has more
 > confidence and is more efficient if he can keep his hair tidied, apply
 > fresh lipstick and wash his hands several times a day.

  Oh, yeah. I know I need at least 4 breaks to keep my lipstick fresh. ;)


#8 of 37 by scott on Wed Jan 22 12:11:00 1997:

what's interesting is that these sound more like today's workplace, with
breaks, changes in tasks, etc.  This article makes it sound like men are happy
to work without a break, no direction, and on the same dull thing all the
time.


#9 of 37 by janc on Wed Jan 22 16:02:52 1997:

That was pretty much my point.  The original document certainly presents a
distorted view of women, but it also presents a distorted view of men.


#10 of 37 by raoa on Mon Feb 3 11:40:35 1997:

Can anybody suggest how to avoid work altogether !!!


#11 of 37 by janc on Tue Feb 4 01:13:44 1997:

It's not as hard as it looks.  It took me seven years of working at a
moderately well-paying job to reach the point where I could pretty much
support myself off investments, and don't really have to work any more.
Basic rules:

  - Don't get into debt.  Carrying car loans, house loans, college loans
    will burden you so much it will take you much, much longer to reach
    financial independence.

  - Lots of education.  Some jobs pay a lot more for a lot less work.
    You want one of those to earn the money that will let you stop working
    as soon as possible, and to fall back on if your investments turn sour.
    Most of them require that you have a good education.

  - No expensive hobbies.  No fancy cars.  No vacations in Rio.  No big
    houses.  And no kids.

  - Interests.  Some people, if they stop working, can't find anything to
    do but watch TV all day.  If that's you, you're better off working.
    If you find you work as hard (or harder) when you're not working than
    when you are working, then you probably have the constitution for
    sustained non-employment.  Human beings need to be doing something to
    remain healthy.


#12 of 37 by valerie on Tue Feb 4 15:57:09 1997:

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#13 of 37 by janc on Tue Feb 4 20:40:38 1997:

Yup.


#14 of 37 by adania on Wed Feb 5 00:05:47 1997:

I don't have to worry about college, but it is the finding a relatively 
good job part that worries me.


#15 of 37 by abchan on Wed Feb 5 00:08:43 1997:

"Three-year-plans" also help reduce the cost of college.


#16 of 37 by valerie on Wed Feb 5 04:09:49 1997:

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#17 of 37 by raoa on Wed Feb 5 10:39:46 1997:

How do you compare studying high and being paid less and studying little 
but able to earn well. I think academic qualification matters only if you
like to impress upon people.


#18 of 37 by janc on Wed Feb 5 16:01:53 1997:

There are high paid jobs that you don't need college degrees for.  But you
do need uncommon skills (or uncommon luck) to get them.  Uncommon skills, even
if you are born with them, need some kind of education to hone them.  That
doesn't have to be college education.


#19 of 37 by otter on Wed Feb 5 18:34:34 1997:

Examples, please.


#20 of 37 by abchan on Thu Feb 6 03:16:11 1997:

Re: #16 Did you work through college to support it?  I worked two semesters
as a teaching assitant even though I cut down the costs of college.  To be
honest, I don't feel like it cost me anything.  I guess it's different for
each person, but if I had to do it again, I'd do that part exactly the same
way.  Besides, my parents need all the savings they can get.  They still need
to put my sister through college.


#21 of 37 by valerie on Thu Feb 6 14:36:05 1997:

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#22 of 37 by janc on Fri Feb 7 17:27:56 1997:

My parents paid for the first four years of college (Big Thanks, Mom & Dad).
The remaining seven years were paid for by teaching and research
assistanceships.  I earned more money during college than I spent, though
without my parent's support I would probably have come out dead even and would
probably have had to borrow money to pay for the first for years, and with
the interest, probably wouldn't have come out even.

Re #19:  Examples of high paying jobs that don't require college educations?
 How about Michael Jackson and Bill Gates?  I don't know if either has a
 college degree, but you don't have to look far for evidence that you can
 earn a lot of money without a degree.  For most people, degrees are the
 surest and easiest bet though.


#23 of 37 by aruba on Sun Feb 9 00:50:35 1997:

Bill Gates dropped out of college - I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a degree.


#24 of 37 by robh on Wed Feb 12 23:14:55 1997:

aruba is correct.  Why did I get my degree, anyway?  >8)


#25 of 37 by abchan on Fri Feb 21 15:38:40 1997:

Because it looks cool to have a diploma hanging on your wall? :)


#26 of 37 by sandip on Mon Mar 3 12:39:40 1997:

sex


#27 of 37 by robh on Wed Mar 12 20:48:46 1997:

No, I have *definitely* not had sex as a result of having a degree.


#28 of 37 by donna on Mon Mar 17 02:11:26 1997:

(hope I'm doing this right)

Bill Gates was born into a wealthy family. The whole reason IBM talked to him
in the first place is that his mother was an exec there (had an "in"). He's
a bad example for getting rich without a college degree.

Michael Jackson's a good example of getting rich by way of a special talent
and parents who knew how to go after opportunities. Not a good example for
regular people who are already young adults.

For young people today wanting to achieve financial independence, I'd use an
example like Mrs. Fields. Her business started small and grew because she had
a good product. (Personally, I disagree that it's good, but most of the US
seems to think it was.)

FWIW, I've "retired" several times already. The first time I came out of
retirement because my former clients talked me into it (I've spent most of
my professional life as a contract programmer). All the other times, I just
follow my hobbies and they lead me into Yet Another Business to start.  I did
desktop publishing in the early 1980s, personal services in the 1970s, and
this decade I'm starting up a web design/hosting business. I'm not a good
example for getting rich, though, cuz I'm too interested in a goal of not
working to worry about making any more money than I need to stop working.
(Sounds inconsistent for someone who keeps starting new businesses, eh?
<grin> Really, though, until this web thing I always just fell into them.)



#29 of 37 by valerie on Mon Mar 17 03:27:34 1997:

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#30 of 37 by garima on Mon Aug 4 04:27:33 1997:

Was #0 written for women working in airplane assembly factories?
Sounds like something like that.
The overall tone does sound patronizing.
If it were applied to men, it still sounds patronizing.
It sounds like they wan to head a big hive of worker bees
who have no brains in their bonnets.  The part about getting a
medical exam to determine if they have some "female problem"
sounds like a horrible violation. What would they be looking for?
Women who had a hard time with their periods would not be allowed to work?
,


#31 of 37 by garima on Mon Aug 4 04:31:30 1997:

"husky" girls are more even tempered? HAHAHAHhaha.
Sounds like they are talking about some cows, and the husky ones
produce more milk. Or something like dog racing - "check out the
lean, long legs, gentlemen. They are the kind you need to get
a quick dog".
Or like horse traders.


#32 of 37 by snowth on Mon Aug 4 06:28:22 1997:

What was "husky" classified as anyway? 5'6" and 115 pounds?


#33 of 37 by janc on Mon Aug 4 14:08:07 1997:

#0 was apparantly written for "transit workers" whatever those are.  Doesn't
sound like bus drivers.


#34 of 37 by beeswing on Sun Aug 10 04:15:19 1997:

Valerie, could you e-mail this to me? I have a friend who'd get a kick out of
it. TPatton@aol.com


#35 of 37 by valerie on Mon Aug 11 13:12:55 1997:

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#36 of 37 by beeswing on Thu Aug 14 03:34:51 1997:

Huh?


#37 of 37 by valerie on Fri Aug 15 05:43:31 1997:

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