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Grex Enigma Item 261: Mystery Numbers
Entered by bjorn on Tue Sep 19 19:54:18 UTC 1995:

3, 7 and 9.

These numbers are significant to everyone, but my question is how?

44 responses total.



#1 of 44 by rcurl on Tue Sep 19 20:14:49 1995:

Because, without them, you'd be in a peck of trouble.


#2 of 44 by birdlady on Wed Sep 20 02:46:09 1995:

In the pagan religion, they're magickal numbers.


#3 of 44 by rcurl on Wed Sep 20 06:00:53 1995:

Are there any nonmagical numbers?


#4 of 44 by remmers on Wed Sep 20 11:04:42 1995:

I have never heard that 46109 is magical.


#5 of 44 by bjorn on Wed Sep 20 13:54:28 1995:

The rule of threes, the circle of seven, the nine worlds... mayhap?


#6 of 44 by rcurl on Wed Sep 20 16:33:05 1995:

What about the sign of the four, and the eightfold paths? 
(46109? WOW! Be careful of *that* one during full moons!)


#7 of 44 by robh on Thu Sep 21 10:06:25 1995:

Crowley did an entire book of nothing but magickal attributions
of numbers.  I should ask my Crowleyite friends, there may well
be some significance to 46109...

Of course, we all know the significance of 24601.  >8)


#8 of 44 by bjorn on Thu Sep 21 16:20:15 1995:

realistically the only true numbers are 0-9.


#9 of 44 by rcurl on Thu Sep 21 16:51:27 1995:

I submit that 0, 1  are truer.


#10 of 44 by janc on Thu Sep 21 17:13:04 1995:

46109?  Wouldn't that be someplace in Indiana?  What is the Zip Code of Hell?


#11 of 44 by bjorn on Thu Sep 21 20:15:22 1995:

666 Nameless Street
Dis, Baator 666


#12 of 44 by remmers on Sat Sep 23 13:22:13 1995:

The only true number is 1.  0 is an artifact.


#13 of 44 by bjorn on Sun Sep 24 18:43:31 1995:

Okay.
Are we dealing with reality or binary here?


#14 of 44 by rcurl on Mon Sep 25 04:35:52 1995:

You cannot know you have a 1 unless a 0 is possible, as 1, or "is"
is only a contrast to 0, or "is not". 

bjorn, this item started out unconcerned with either reality or binary ;->.


#15 of 44 by bjorn on Mon Sep 25 18:42:42 1995:

True, true...


#16 of 44 by remmers on Tue Sep 26 09:51:53 1995:

Nonsense. 1 is, it simply is, and that is all there is to it.


#17 of 44 by rcurl on Tue Sep 26 16:06:54 1995:

Prima facie, huh?


#18 of 44 by bjorn on Tue Sep 26 16:30:40 1995:

Moo.


#19 of 44 by robh on Thu Sep 28 10:18:16 1995:

In the future, great war, millions die.  But, great hope of
peace.  The One will be a great leader.  The One will show us
how to fight, and how to win.

The Zero, no, never heard of The Zero.  Math not Zathrus'
specialty.


#20 of 44 by bjorn on Thu Sep 28 20:01:26 1995:

The war of numbers?  This is getting out of hand.


#21 of 44 by alfee on Sun Oct 8 02:54:33 1995:

Hey, I just think the numbers 3, 7, and 9 are really cool numbers.  What
more do they have to be, than just their own unique selves?


#22 of 44 by bjorn on Sun Oct 8 03:49:52 1995:

The toys of the gods, that's what.


#23 of 44 by remmers on Sun Oct 8 11:04:08 1995:

        Does your perception of a number depend on the notation
        used to express it? Take "three" for example. In various
        notational systems:

            decimal:   3
            binary:    11
            Roman:     III

        Do you experience it as the same number in those
        differing representations?



#24 of 44 by robh on Sun Oct 8 11:15:23 1995:

And let's not forget:

        octal           3
        hexadecimal     3
        base 19         3
        base 46109      3


#25 of 44 by bjorn on Sun Oct 8 13:50:52 1995:

binary is the only notation that, um, screws me up.
<bjorn washes his mouth out with soap>


#26 of 44 by janc on Mon Oct 9 04:24:23 1995:

But consider:
 
       2 base 2:     10
       3 base 3:     10
      17 base 17:    10
    9383 base 9383:  10

   (and other examples)

So, all numbers are really the same, and none can be more mysterious than
the rest.


#27 of 44 by remmers on Mon Oct 9 08:21:26 1995:

        Ah, but what about 1 base 1? Or 0 base 0?



#28 of 44 by robh on Tue Oct 10 10:17:36 1995:

Never mind that, what about 1 base 0?


#29 of 44 by janc on Wed Oct 11 02:59:23 1995:

   1 base 1:    10

that's 1*1^1 + 0*1^0

   0 base 0:    10

that's 1*0^1 + 0*0^0

So what's the problem?


#30 of 44 by remmers on Wed Oct 11 07:52:01 1995:

Never mind that, what about 1 base 0?


#31 of 44 by bjorn on Wed Oct 11 13:54:42 1995:

Hva?  Is this item degenerating?


#32 of 44 by remmers on Thu Oct 12 20:01:41 1995:

That's debatable. It is certainly metamorphosing.


#33 of 44 by bjorn on Thu Oct 12 22:53:05 1995:

<runs around the table, slams his shoe on it a couple of times while yelling
"nyet," and then he remembers that he is not part of the UN>
Are there any motions on the floor?  Seeing none, I move for a five minute
cactus.  is there a second?


#34 of 44 by remmers on Fri Oct 13 12:56:17 1995:

All the cactuses I've had experience with lasted a lot longer than
five minutes.


#35 of 44 by bjorn on Fri Oct 13 13:49:35 1995:

<laughs>


#36 of 44 by robh on Sun Oct 15 02:05:31 1995:

Re 34 - You know perfectly well that the plural of cactus is
cacked eye.


#37 of 44 by janc on Sun Oct 15 03:07:55 1995:

1 base 0 eh?  That's hardly relevant to the original discussion, but here it
is:
       10000000000....0000000000
        `---------v------------'
                log 1
                   0


#38 of 44 by bjorn on Sun Oct 15 05:38:55 1995:

Enigma digresses often.


#39 of 44 by orinoco on Sat Apr 20 21:50:19 1996:

When you think about it, all other numbers can be made using 0, 1, and 2.
You cannot make 1 from 0, and you cannot make 2 from 1--1+1=2, true, but you
are adding two numbers together then, and you don't have two yet.


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