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Grex Enigma Item 224: Syllogism
Entered by eharkins on Wed Nov 2 00:04:49 UTC 1994:

A syllogism has three parts
Therefore, this is not a syllogism.

34 responses total.



#1 of 34 by mwarner on Wed Nov 2 00:41:14 1994:

Unless it is part of a syllogism.


#2 of 34 by remmers on Wed Nov 2 02:01:33 1994:

        All items have a proper conference.
        Agora is a proper conference.
        Therefore, this is an item.

(Enigma is also a proper conference, so guess where this is gonna
get linked...)


#3 of 34 by remmers on Wed Nov 2 02:03:40 1994:

This h'yar item is now linked tuh Enigma as item two hunnerd an'
twenny-four.


#4 of 34 by kentn on Wed Nov 2 03:07:15 1994:

U meen "twenny-fur"?


#5 of 34 by brighn on Wed Nov 2 03:47:16 1994:

I don't follow the syllogism in #2.  Isn't that the same as:
        All cats are mammals.
        A dog is a mammal.
        Therefore, a dog is a cat.
(Or similar, at any rate?)
        All syllogisms have three lines
        This is a syllogism.
        Therefore, this has three lines.


#6 of 34 by aruba on Wed Nov 2 03:51:36 1994:

Re #2:  I hate being anal, but I'm afraid I just can't shake it.  I don't
think that syllogism is correct; I think the first line should be
"Everything with a proper conference is an item."


#7 of 34 by brighn on Wed Nov 2 04:36:58 1994:

No, that would make:
        Everything with a proper conference is an item
        Agora is a proper conference.
        Therefore, everything with Agora is an item.
We need:
        Everything within Agora is an item.
        This is within Agora.
        Therefore, this is an item.
We could of course generate a four-line syllogism as follows:
        Everything with a proper conference is an item.
                       ^--- in
        Agora is a proper conference
        This is within Agora
        Therefore this is an item
but that would be getting silly, and we wouldn't want to do that, now, would
we?


#8 of 34 by aruba on Wed Nov 2 04:54:04 1994:

No, brighn, I meant that if you just replaced the first line like I said,
and didn't touch the other lines, it would be correct.


#9 of 34 by brighn on Wed Nov 2 04:58:06 1994:

And I'm saying that's wrong.  You want:
        Everything with a proper conference is an item
        Agora is a proper conference
        Therefore, this is an item
Which is wrong, because you haven't establisshed that this is with Agora,
whatever *that* means.


#10 of 34 by remmers on Wed Nov 2 05:12:06 1994:

        This hyar is a syllogism.
        Thet thing over there, it be a syllogism too.
        Tharfore, they done both be syllogisms.



#11 of 34 by aruba on Wed Nov 2 14:38:12 1994:

whatever.  <Aruba concedes that brighn is more anal than he is.>


#12 of 34 by mwarner on Wed Nov 2 16:24:54 1994:

That's sillygisms to you, buster.  <g>


#13 of 34 by brighn on Wed Nov 2 20:59:06 1994:

<brighn ismproud to be so anal.>


#14 of 34 by remmers on Wed Nov 2 21:11:26 1994:

        A syllogism is a syllogism is a syllogism.
        I am not a syllogism.
        Therefore, I am Gertrude Stein.



#15 of 34 by brighn on Wed Nov 2 21:33:19 1994:

Now that is a valid syllogism.


#16 of 34 by srw on Thu Nov 3 06:21:42 1994:

But one can clearly see that you are Western Snord (it says so), therefore
(reductio ad absurdum) your initial assumption must be incorrect, and
a syllogism is thus *not* a syllogism.    Q.E.D.

I hope that clears *that* up once and for all.


#17 of 34 by remmers on Thu Nov 3 10:29:07 1994:

Oh, but the statements "a syllogism is a syllogism" and "a syllogism
is not a syllogism" are mutually compatible, by analogy with "a pine
is a pine" and "a pine is knotty pine".


#18 of 34 by bjt on Thu Nov 3 16:24:57 1994:

ROTFL


#19 of 34 by rcurl on Thu Nov 3 17:16:43 1994:

I wouldn't go *that* far...besides, a pine is a mail. Some pine for mail.


#20 of 34 by eharkins on Thu Nov 3 17:56:41 1994:

#14: very interesting!


#21 of 34 by srw on Fri Nov 4 08:21:42 1994:

Re #17: I guess you're right. That could've been a knotty syllogism indeed.
I need to reboot now.


#22 of 34 by nephi on Fri Nov 4 08:23:35 1994:

What in the *Heck* does ROTFL mean!


#23 of 34 by brighn on Fri Nov 4 09:12:38 1994:

R(olling) O(n) T(he) F(loor) L(aughing)


#24 of 34 by batty on Fri Nov 4 18:38:57 1994:

CUTE!!


#25 of 34 by nephi on Sat Nov 5 07:36:54 1994:

Thankyou.  So, where exactly is the Brighn machine from, anyway?


#26 of 34 by brighn on Mon Nov 7 05:57:32 1994:

Why do you want to know?
<brighn looks at nephi suspiciously>


#27 of 34 by nephi on Mon Nov 7 06:22:20 1994:

If you don't want to tell me, you don't have to.  I just thought that with 
such an isoteric name, phonetically spelled, no less, that you might be 
from somewhere interesting that you would like to tell about. 


#28 of 34 by popcorn on Mon Nov 7 15:32:53 1994:

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#29 of 34 by brighn on Tue Nov 8 03:23:11 1994:

"Isoteric"?  Surely you mean esoteric.  :-)

Ah, Lansing, MI, is fairly boring.
It's my community Craft name.  I'm a Witch, don't you know?


#30 of 34 by carl on Tue Nov 8 10:00:28 1994:

Ah, Lansing, MI.  I used to say the only culture in Lansing came
out of 12 ounce cans...  ;-)



#31 of 34 by brighn on Tue Nov 8 20:48:04 1994:

<brighn did NOT come out of a 12 oz. can>


#32 of 34 by aruba on Wed Nov 9 04:40:37 1994:

Therefore brighn is not a culture!  I think we have a syllogism!  :)


#33 of 34 by brighn on Wed Nov 9 06:31:52 1994:

<brighn bops aruba with a Glinda the Good Witch fairy wand>
<brighn spends WAY too much time on party>


#34 of 34 by tsty on Sat Nov 12 06:21:57 1994:

WHAT? Back to the item-topic? Heavens to Betsy, how socially in-
appropriate of us .....

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