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Grex Enigma Item 182: This is not a poem
Entered by orinoco on Mon May 2 19:58:10 UTC 1994:

Writing
        By orinoco
-----------------
It's harder than it seems.

You can't write down
  Just anything
    And call it a poem.

Just anything

This
  Is not
    A poem.

22 responses total.



#1 of 22 by bdp on Mon May 2 21:07:35 1994:

aha!
        by
b.d.                    place
----            ------

i think that's
true, but most                  people          haven
't              caught on yet.   perhaps
this is
why
e.e.
cummings
                        was
                                                so
                                                        pop
                                u
                lar
 .


#2 of 22 by vidar on Mon May 2 22:00:13 1994:

Whee!


#3 of 22 by gerund on Mon May 2 22:20:39 1994:

Poetry is in the eye of the beholder.


#4 of 22 by vishnu on Mon May 2 22:45:38 1994:

Poetry is in the eye of my mother.


#5 of 22 by gerund on Mon May 2 23:40:30 1994:

Your mother is a beholder?


#6 of 22 by vishnu on Mon May 2 23:49:22 1994:

Your mother is a poet?


#7 of 22 by vidar on Tue May 3 01:07:08 1994:

No.  My mother is a Beholder-kin!
/


#8 of 22 by orinoco on Wed May 4 23:54:24 1994:

Meanwhile,
  Ken Miltokowski
    Is minimalist.

He says
  Less than just anything
    And calls it a poem

Such
  Is life
    Says me.


#9 of 22 by remmers on Thu May 5 03:04:23 1994:

        i have known people
        to take common prose
        and arrange it in lines
        of roughly equal meter
        and put it all
        in lower case only

        and call it poetry.

        indeed,
        i have done this
        myself.



#10 of 22 by gerund on Thu May 5 05:07:54 1994:

poetry is

whatever you say

poetry is


#11 of 22 by remmers on Thu May 5 17:02:01 1994:

Wrongo.  Poetry must either be epic poetry, narrative poetry, dramatic
poetry, descriptive poetry, didactic poetry, lyric poetry, satirical
verse, occasional verse, light and humorous verse, or a translation of
poetry from another language that fits into one of the previous
categories.  If it's not one of those things, it's not poetry.

Furthermore, it must be of iambic meter, trochaic meter, anapestic
meter, dactylic meter, spondaic meter, amphibrachic meter, or
paeonic meter{.  If it's not in one of those meters, it's not
poetry.

A poem must use one or more{of the poetic devices of caesura (feminine,
lyric, epic, or masculine), the end-stopped line, enjambment.  It should
have stanzaic structure of the couplet, the distich, the terget, the
quatrain, the cinquain, the sextain, the septet, the octave, the nine-
line stanza, or the ten-line stanza.

If rhyme is used, it must be of a pattern such as aa,bb... or aaa,bbb...
or abab, perhaps with the addition of random or internal rhyme.

Form must be terza rima, ballad, rubai, sapphic, venus and adonis,
rhyme royal, ottava rima, sicelian, spenserian, petrarchan sonnet,
miltonic sonnet, shakesperean sonnet, triolet, rondel, rondelet,
rondeau, roundel, kyrielle, lai, villanelle, pantoum, sestina, ode,
haiku, tanka, naga-uta, englyn, limerick, clerihew, or little willie.
T'ain{_'t poetry if it's not one of those.

So you can't just splatter down anything on the page and call it
"poetry".


#12 of 22 by gerund on Thu May 5 19:26:18 1994:

perhaps not just anything.

but have you ever seen a sunset?
if that's not poetry to you, i guess we must come to the conclusion
that we have different definitions of poetry.
i will admit that all the above would probably result in something you
could call a poem, but I'm not so sure about poetry.


#13 of 22 by logos on Thu May 5 22:06:32 1994:

canteloupes can geedily
                     erase the steady surface of your skin
and this most speedily
                     replace the need for chewing aspirin.

Although this writing complies with some of the criteria listed
above in 11, is it poetry?  Same with muzak--is it music?  Hellmark
Pulitzer in 1887 is quoted as saying "It's not how stupid you are,
it's what you do with your brains that counts."  

Glad I could help.


#14 of 22 by remmers on Fri May 6 02:47:01 1994:

The first four lines of #13 are the most sublime poetry I've seen
in the English language.


#15 of 22 by gerund on Fri May 6 03:04:52 1994:

I liked that geedily bit myself.


#16 of 22 by kami on Fri May 6 04:43:52 1994:

picky, picky.


#17 of 22 by gerund on Fri May 6 05:02:52 1994:

hehehe


#18 of 22 by orinoco on Sat May 7 23:52:45 1994:

Why this constant quibbling
  Over what is
    Or is not a poem.

Watch a sunset,
  Or smell the air
    Directly after it rains.

Then you can know.


#19 of 22 by remmers on Mon May 9 00:23:02 1994:

Duh, wuz dat haiku?


#20 of 22 by none on Thu May 12 00:01:06 1994:

no


#21 of 22 by orinoco on Mon May 16 12:52:58 1994:

This is not haiku
even though it has the same
pattern as they do

























BECAUSE THERE'S A FOURTH LINE!


#22 of 22 by jaklumen on Tue May 28 07:43:41 2002:

har har.

*smash*

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