Whittier College Republicans have come up with a real winner! On Thursday,
January the Whittier CR's will hold an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale."

Further assisting their Admissions Office in the selection of patrons
based on a complex formula of prices, Caucasian patrons will accordingly be
charged more than their minority classmates. Quotas of so many sales to
Caucasian males per hour will be put in place. To help diversify the pool
of patrons, special discounts will be given to those who do not posses the
funds necessary to purchase given goods, but do happen to meet a certain
ethnic, gender, and sexual makeup.

With the University of Michigan case making national headlines, the time is
ripe for this debate. Holding truth, justice, and equality for all mankind on
our side, the Whittier College Republicans are taking action to bring the
absurdity of race preferences in a school's admissions policy to the
forefront!!!

Parties interested in learning more about the Whittier event are encouraged
to email Whittier College Republican President Jess Craven at: 
jesscraven@hotmail.com.  Other inquiries can be made to
Brandon@capitalistkindergarten.com.

217 responses total.

Maybe we could have a "Bush Tax Cut Bake Sale", where the richer you
are, the more of a refund you get on your purchase price.

The concept has ingenuity, the execution will undoubtedly be mitigated by 
bias and general idiocy.

I certainly hope the Whittier administration and any doubtful parties on 
campus withhold action against this until the CR's show just exactly how 
much collective idiocy they can publicly saddle themselves with in the 
process.  With luck, irony will win the day, and the CR's will prove 
exactly the point they are attempting to demonstrate their incapacity to 
understand.

(Eric is obviously right, and not just because he's not one of the obvious
minority groups.  The Whittier College Republicans clearly don't
understand the issues present in the U-M case and have blatantly
oversimplified and misinterpreted them for this purpose.  For one thing,
minority groups should be charged *less* for the baked goods instead of
charging the non-minorities more for said goods.  Also, the criteria for
selling the baked goods fails to take into account the educational
background of the patron.  Even in the U-M point system, it's possible to
get up to 120 points for having a good educational background, whereas
minorities and athletes only get 20 points for their respective non-
academic-related quality.  If I were in a position to advise these
misguided [an adjective made apropos by their choice of Whittier College
as a place of higher learning] individuals, I would strongly suggest they
take into account whether the patron has successfully completed a culinary
arts curriculum or burns ramen on a regular basis.)

re:  "#1 (gull):Maybe we could have a "Bush Tax Cut Bake Sale", where 
the richer you are, the more of a refund you get on your purchase 
price."

In order for this to work, the top 10% would have to pay for 90% of the 
cost of the cookies, however, with the lowest 1/4 getting them for free.

Actually, the only difference in pricing should relate to the price of
admission. Afterward, everybody pays the same price.

(there are all sorts of other unanswered questions that come to mind.  what
kind of baked goods are these?  what's the baked good equivalent of a PE
class?  is a pfeffernusse an honors baked good?  are they using white or
brown sugar?  will the proceeds be used to purchase bombers so that more
tax dollars can be allocated to education, just like the bumper stickers
say should happen?)

To complete both gull and klg's analogy, there should be a whole class of
people who did the baking but rarely got to eat any of the completed pastries.

The unackowledged bakers, decorators and crumb-catchers (afterward) would be
the beneficiaries of trickle-down economics.  Mmmm.  cake crumbs.

Re:5 - what I've read is that the top 50% of income earners pay 96% of the
total income taxes collected.

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Re #4: No one on the right seems interested in the actual facts of the
case, just in opposing it.  Otherwise Bush would have known better than
to call it a "quota system".

Re #5: But of course as a kickback the top 10% would get all the
influence over what cookies are baked and where they're sold.

How does a fw link something to a conference?

re #12:  You just paraphrased exactly what Mary Sue Coleman said today.  
(Or maybe it was at the Regents meeting Friday.)

re:  "#12 (gull): Re #4: No one on the right seems interested in the 
actual facts of the case, just in opposing it.  Otherwise Bush would 
have known better than to call it a "quota system"."

Perhaps you could enlighten us, then, by explaining how a "critical 
mass" system is distinguished from a "quota" system.

I'm not gull, but I'll cheerfully offer an explanation using the
familiar world of a police officer considering whether to go after
somebody who is speeding:
        Quota system
                My ass is grass if I don't make 30 arrests this month.
        Critical Mass System
                I haven't had my donut yet.  I'm going to be lean
                and mean until I make an arrest or get my donut.

re resp:13: Sindi, if you're the fw, change to the conference you want 
to link to, then type:

   linkfrom agora 89

(that would link this item to that conference.)

Re #15: In a quota system, you'd have a specific number of slots to fill
(a "quota") and you'd admit minorities until you filled them.  You'd
then fill the rest of the slots from the general population.  That's not
how the U of M system works.  In fact, the percentage of minority
students admitted varies from year to year, which it wouldn't do under a
quota system.

The University of Michigan system is, as I understand it, actually
pretty carefully crafted to fall within boundaries set by previous
Supreme Court cases.

That does not clarify it for me.  How does "quota" mean a "specific #," 
while "critical mass" does not?

If Justice Powell wrote in Bakke that '(p)referring members of any one 
group for no reason other than race or ethnic origin is discrimination 
for its own sake," how does the UM system conform to that provision?

Because it takes a lot more than just being black to get into UofM.

That may be, johnnie.  But now, try to answer the question.

Q: If Justice Powell wrote in Bakke that '(p)referring members of any 
one group for **no reason other than race or ethnic origin** is 
discrimination for its own sake," how does the UM system conform to that 
provision?

A:  Because it takes a lot more than just being black to get into UofM.

0 for 2.

More particularly, using race in the way UM does is NOT "no reason
other than race". Many reasons other than race are used in the admission
procedure. What UM does adheres exactly to what Powell said is allowable.

If it didn't, the case wouldn't have gotten all the way to the Supreme
Court again.

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(That'll be a good slogan when you run for Congress:  "Vote JP--Because 
taxes are for stupid people.")

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Re: 24 - you're missing some bits of the sentence.  The key verb is
"preferring" - the U of M "prefers" minority applicants to the tune of nearly
twice as much as they prefer a perfect SAT score.

Of course, they also prefer athletes nearly twice as much as a perfect
SAT score.  But that seems to be pretty much ignored in this debate.

I predict the Whittier College Republicans will conveniently 'forget' to
provide lower prices for football players.

The "perfect SAT score" qualification is also reflected in the some 120
points (if I recall correctly) related to academic achievement. You
wouldn't want to *double count* academic achievement, would you?

Call me stupid (join the club), but if "academic achievement" is not the 
most relevant factor in selecting college students, I really don't know 
what else would be.

Nothing, of course.  We wouldn't want to waste our time educating anybody
except the people who are already the best educated.

IN ADDITION....."academic achievement" is not the total measure of a person.
Higher education has much broader upjectives than stuffing stuff into
people's heads. It tries to create educated and liberal (as in "liberal
arts") citizens, who can contribute to society. That takes a lot more
than "academic achievement". Additional needed attributes are community
contributions, leadership qualities, extracurricular involvement, and
personal character attributes.

If you want just "academic achievement" go to a trade school. 

Put your shorts back on.  I said "most relevant," not "the only," didn't 
I?  (Note:  You left "race" off your listing.  An oversight?)

I left off race because I was addressing only measures of the person. 
"Race" is a surrogate for many other factors concerning a person's
demographic environment that affects wealth, associations, opportunities,
disadvantages, etc. Other modes are used to address some of these, such as
minority scholarships, minority offices that provide counseling, etc, but
none of those address the inherent disadvantage minorities suffer because
of racism. Eliminate racism and affirmative action can be eliminated too.
Say it. 

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re:  "#36 (rcurl):  "Race" is a surrogate for many other factors 
concerning a person's demographic environment that affects wealth, 
associations, opportunities, disadvantages, etc."

Yes.  Next time I bump into Colin Powell or Jesse Jackson, I'll tell 
him how much better off I am than he is.

klg.
You're a mutton head!

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