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Grex Cyberpunk Item 101: David Brin's Future Thought Questionnaire -- Discuss? [linked]
Entered by anderyn on Tue Jul 20 18:48:45 UTC 1999:

    An Informal Opinion Poll Regarding Certain "Fundamental Questions"of
    Politics, Ideology & Human Destiny

   Introduction

   As a "noted futurist" I'm often invited to speak about the coming
   century before groups as diverse as libertarians, feminists,
   democrats, venture capitalists, scientists and environmentalists.
   Lately, I have seen first hand just how sobering many thoughtful
   people find the approaching millennium. Will bitter ideological rifts
   dominate the next century, as they have the 20th? Or might we shrug
   off some of the obsolete intellectual baggage we've inherited from
   past thinkers who (in fact) knew much less than we do now?

   In a spirit of re-evaluation, how about taking a fresh look at some
   fundamentals? Might there be some basic questions that haven't been
   asked adequately, especially by those who fervently cry out that 
their
   answer is the only answer to vexing human problems? Do we really want
   to find startling areas of common ground between folks who now see
   each other as implacable foes?

   What follows is a questionnaire meant to illuminate why you feel as
   you do about modern issues... and why it seems so hard to comprehend
   those who disagree. The questions are provocative... any two or more
   people should find a lot to discuss, just by asking them of each
   other.

   Moreover your answers may have implications that go deeper than you
   think! Some of the following ticklers approach familiar dilemmas from
   unusual angles, ripping across familiar boundaries, such as the hoary
   old left right political axis.

   Many of you will already have read my nonfiction book, The 
Transparent
   Society, and my novel Earth. If so, you know I discuss several of
   these points therein. I also plan on writing an essay soon, following
   up on this questionnaire. Meanwhile, any of you are welcome to run it
   past your own groups/friends/co-conspirators, in order to see for
   yourself how people sort themselves in surprising ways.

   The implications are especially crucial to some of the groups I
   mentioned above. Groups who have my sympathy... but who also provoke
  endless frustration as they keep relentlessly chewing over the same
   old fixations, even when the evidence around us shows that it's time
   to move on!

   In any event, I hope you'll find the questions entertaining... and
   provocative.

   -- David Brin
   February 15, 1999

   
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   QUESTIONNAIRE

   
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   1) THE TIME FLOW OF WISDOM
   (please choose which statement most closely models your own point of
 view)
   - You believe humans knew a natural idyllic condition at some point 
in
   the past, from which we fell because of bad/inappropriate/or sinful
   choices, reducing our net wisdom. (The LookBack View.)

   - You consider such tales mythological. Wisdom is cumulative and
   anything resembling a human utopia can only be achieved in the 
future,
   through incremental improvements in knowledge or merit. (The
   LookForward View.)
   If pressed, could you provide convicing evidence to support this 
point
   of view?

   
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   2) PROPAGANDA: Are members of our present culture subjected to
   propaganda? What kind? What are the principal messages? How effective
   has this propaganda been?

   If you spent the time, do you think you could name 50 popular modern
   films in which this propaganda theme has been promoted as its central
   message? Can you explain why you have noticed it while others 
haven't?

   
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   EXTRA CREDIT FOLLOWUP: Which of the following best describes how and
   why you arrived at your present set of opinions and your political
   agenda?
   - logical appraisal of the evidence.
   - inherent qualities of your nature, character or intelligence.
   - the effects of propaganda or upbringing.
   - pursuit of this agenda may result in personal advantage.

   * Now answer the same question about why your political opponents 
hold
   the opinions/agendas they do.
   * Do you think your opponents would agree with the way you answered
   just now? How do you think they would respond, if asked the very same
   questions about their own beliefs... and yours?
   
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   3) THE TOXICITY OF IDEAS: a followup on the previous question. Please
   choose between the following:
  - You think ideas are inherently dangerous or toxic. People are easily
   deceived. An elite should guide or protect gullible masses toward
   correct thinking. (Memic Frailty.)

   - You believe children can be raised with a mixture of openness and
   skepticism to evaluate concepts on their own merits. Citizens can
   pluck useful bits wherever they may be found, even from bad images or
   ideologies. (Memic Maturity.)

   
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   EXTRA CREDIT FOLLOWUP:

   If your answer to the preceding question was Memic Maturity, is it
   justifiable or hypocritical to hold "the masses" in contempt for not
   always agreeing with you?

   If your answer to the preceding question was Memic Frailty, do you
   believe you should be one of the guardians or guides who help
   encourage right thinking? Can you be sure that belief is not, in
  itself, the result of conditioning by a toxic idea?

   
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   4) BIRDS OF A FEATHER: With whom do you ally? Who do you listen to?
   Person A agrees with your long-range dreams and goals, but disagrees
   profoundly with your program for getting there.

   Person B agrees with your near-term political agenda, despises the
   same opponents, but has a very different image of what kind of 
society
   we should eventually arrive at.

   FOLLOWUP: How often have your political or other discussions actually
   focused on the distant goal? Do you have a clear image of the future
   society all your efforts are aimed at achieving? Have you ever
   verified that your "allies" have the same destination in mind?

   
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   5) DYNAMIC SYSTEMS: What attributes do the following social
 innovations have in common?

    Democracy, Science, the Justice System and Free Markets...

   Now consider secrecy, a commonly prescribed social remedy. Decide
   whether each of the four dynamic social systems named above
   (democracy, science, etc...) will function better if:

   (1) most participants know MORE than they presently do about each
   other and whatever is going on...

   (2) most participants know LESS than they presently do about each
   other and whatever is going on...

   
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   EXTRA CREDIT: Is your safety enhanced more by denying knowledge to
   your enemies or by increasing the amount that you know?

   Which is easier to verify: (a) that your foes don't know something, 
or
 (b) that you do know something?

   Given a choice between privacy/(secrecy) vs. accountability, which
   would you choose for yourself? Which would you choose for the group
   you consider freedom's worst enemy?

   
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   6) PROGRESSIVE WISDOM: Are we wise or knowledgeable enough to
   prescribe ideologies for our descendants?

   Should one focus all efforts on achieving total victory for one's
   particular political agenda? Or would it be enough to concentrate on
   achieving pragmatic solutions, raise a new generation that is
   appreciably wiser and more aware than ours, and then leave the rest 
of
   the details to them?

   
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   7) HUMAN NATURE: Do you believe in evolution? Are humans still at
   least somewhat part of the animal kingdom?

   Can we learn politically relevant things from fields like mammalian
   ethology, psychopharmacology, anthropology, and the historical
   behavior of real human tribes? If discrepancies appear between these
   sciences and our idealization of human nature, should ideology be
   revised?

   If there appears to be an intrinsic difference between basic human
   nature and the ideal way we "ought to be", what is your response?

   (1) The so-called information about our basic nature must be wrong.
   (2) Society must adapt and conform to information about our basic
   nature, letting us be ourselves, since people are what they are.

   (3) The more we learn about 'basic human nature', the more clearly we
   need vigorous guidance to encourage behavior more appropriate than we
   would 'naturally' engage in. This can be achieved by hewing to
   standards that have been known for generations.

   (4) Information about our basic nature helps us understand the raw
   material from which a new/better humanity might emerge.

   
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 8) Historically, which prescription has best helped to maximize human
   achievement, minimized costly errors and ensured freedom/happiness
   etc.?

   (1) Weak government

   (2) Widespread and open criticism

   (3) Strong leadership

   (4) A cohesive shared value system

   Can you think of historical examples to support your claim? Being
   honest, can you cite counter-examples?

   
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   9) PROBLEM-SOLVING METHODS: Consider the following two approaches 
that
   have been used for many generations by people and societies 
attempting
   to solve problems or change their world.

   THE LEFT HANDED APPROACH: concerted action by tribal or national
  units, organized by leaders who gather social resources (e.g. taxes or
   tithes) and apply them to attain goals in an organized manner.

   THE RIGHT-HANDED APPROACH: create loosely regulated markets wherein
   free individuals compete and/or cooperate, making the best deals they
   can for their own self interest.

   In 10,000 years we've seen countless left-handed projects - pyramids,
   canals, wars and universities... and countless market contributions -
   industry, medicine, slavery and bookstores
   Radical socialists have long demonized the right-handed approach as
   inherently corrupt/exploitive, and prescribe its amputation. Radical
   libertarians and anarchists call the left handed approach coercive 
and
   stifling, and prescribe its amputation.
   If you prefer one class of human problem-solving methods, would you
   amputate the other entirely? Severely limit it? Or try to discover
   which types of problem each approach is best at performing? Does your
   preferred 'hand' create abiding conditions for personal satisfaction
   or generation of wealth? How would it deal with accute problems like
   natural disasters or Adolf Hitler?

   Has democracy moderated many faults in the left-handed approach? If
   so, what other reforms might help make it work better? Likewise, do
   some kinds of market rules help the right-handed approach perform
   better for everyone?

   
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   10) STRATEGY: Over the long run, what are fundamental prerequisites
   for nurturing a growing state of freedom and wisdom for all human
   beings? (Please write a list.)

   FOLLOWUP: Can these prerequisites you just listed be achieved by --
   (1) persuading people to behave differently than they presently do?
   ... (Exhortation)

   (2) ensuring that actions have consequences? ... (Accountability)

   (3) creating environmental preconditions (e.g. heightened health &/or
   wealth &/or education &/or low fear levels) then trusting people to
 make correct decisions? ... (Changed Circumstance)

   (4) some combination of (1) through (3)

   
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   EXTRA CREDIT:

   Which of the above (or lack thereof) are most responsible for our
   present state of civilization?

   Which of the above (or lack thereof) are most responsible for YOUR
   present beliefs?
   How does your answer to this question corelate with your earlier
   answers regarding Propaganda, the Time Flow of Wisdom and Toxicity
 11) TACTICS: In the short term, which of the following describes how
   you feel you are more likely to achieve immediate political goals:

   (1) Consolidate your core supporters, demonize your opponents, and
   dismiss compromise as a form of ideological betrayal.

   (2) Negotiate the best near-term deal you can through whatever
   political process works best, even if it means your opponents get 
part
   of their agenda accomplished, too.

   (3) Learn as much as possible about the opposition, then offer the
   other side's moderate wing enough to split them off from their
   fanatics, destroying their coalition and building your own.

   (4) Ignore your opponents because (a) they represent obsolete or
   decrepit worldviews doomed to inevitably fail anyway, or (b) because
   they are mere stalking horses or fronts for the real opposition --
   power groups who operate inimically behind the scenes.

   (5) Concentrate on perfecting your own position/behavior/or soul,
   since that is all an individual can ever really be responsible for.

   
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   12) MEANS TO AN END: DO ENDS JUSTIFY MEANS? Can one justifiably
   squelch speech by repugnant parties/individuals if it serves a higher
   cause?
   
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  That's it so far. Of course this is hardly a complete questionnaire!

   Many of you will find flaws or ways to improve these questions... or
   come up with additional ones that might beneficially be added. Again,
   the aim was to provoke new levels of discussion, not to promote a
   particular point of view.
   I invite someone to host a discussion on this topic somewhere, and 
let
   me know. I'll post the URL or Listserve address of the discussion
   here, so anyone wanting to follow up on this will be able to do so.

   Meanwhile, let's open up our minds. The satisfactions of
   self-righteousness are very druglike, but in the long run human
   problems will not be solved by junkies. They will be negotiated by
   earnest and wise human beings.

   DB

12 responses total.



#1 of 12 by mcnally on Wed Jul 21 00:43:53 1999:

  Very interesting..  Some of the questions are thought-provoking,
  others seem (to me) to be so biased as to only permit one answer.
  However, while I feel reasonably confident that most would agree
  some of the questions are strongly biased, I'm not at all certain
  that among a group of people you'd have agreement about which ones..

  I hope we'll see more discussions of the questions than just simple
  lists of "answers" from everyone who reads #0..


#2 of 12 by drewmike on Wed Jul 21 15:45:02 1999:

(Would it have been so difficult to place a URL in the header, instead of the
entire textchunk?)


#3 of 12 by other on Wed Jul 21 16:24:59 1999:

Wow.  I intend to devote some time and consideration to answering this.

I think that a slightly further developed variant of this questionnaire 
should be administered as a completion requirement for secondary 
education, and that the results should be regularly evaluated and 
discussed as part of that education.


#4 of 12 by aruba on Wed Jul 21 19:24:58 1999:

Thanks for posting this, Twila.  I'm glad you didn't just post an URL.


#5 of 12 by raven on Wed Jul 21 19:48:03 1999:

Now linked to the cyberpunk conf.  Your conf of ideas about the role
of technology in the future


#6 of 12 by anderyn on Thu Jul 22 02:29:11 1999:

Sorry if some people didn't like the length, but I thought the questions
and the assumptions behind them were germane to several discussions in
agora.


#7 of 12 by drew on Thu Jul 22 22:37:13 1999:

I actually worked on a draft of answers to these. I'm not sure I want to post
them all. I'll look them over and upload a couple later.


#8 of 12 by janc on Fri Jul 23 01:46:30 1999:

Actually, some of those questions might be worth breaking out as
separate items - I can't imagine discussing more than one at the same
time.


#9 of 12 by mcnally on Fri Jul 23 18:11:43 1999:

  I'd agree..  If someone chooses to do that, will they please re-format?


#10 of 12 by mwg on Thu Jul 29 20:35:27 1999:

Re#2:  I detect Web bias.  Dial-in users have to go to some effort to deal
with URLs.


#11 of 12 by mcnally on Thu Jul 29 21:34:16 1999:

  such as type:  "!lynx http://<url..>" from nearly any Picospan prompt?


#12 of 12 by mwg on Fri Jul 30 19:55:51 1999:

I was thinking more along the lines that so many pages today are horribly
designed.  If you want to quote something from the majority of web sites
I've tangled with lately, you have to re-type it, either as done here or
to another web page, because text-mode readable pages are becoming rare
these days.  I know enough about lynx that I can find my way around a
frame capable site that does not block text browsers, I'm not sure about
many others.  (Beware these neat editors that exist now, simple pages are
unlikely to come out of them.)

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