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I presume you realize that you are using these products to improve the
quality and appearance of an animal product. ;->

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OK. I'll help keep it alive. I read Consumer's Report, and chose their
"best buy" selection (i.e., cheapest of the satisfactory brands). Turned
out to be Suave. That's several years ago. I better look at Consumer's
Reports again, soon.

Lately I have been buying Joico at my daughter's recommendation.  My hair tends
to be dry but my scalp is oily.  Most conditioners make my hair lie too flat.
No conditioner and my hair flys away(picture that. . .
headdoc with hair flying away. . . )

The best shampoo and conditioner i've used is Aveda.  You have to buy it
at a salon, and it's quite expensive, but it's really good.  
Meijer's sells some knockoff which is comparable, but I forgot the brand.

It's "aromatherapy" stuff, which doesn't mean much to me except that it
smells nice ;)

I buy whatever is cheapest, for myself, with "extra body" if I have
that kind of choice.  Mostly they work fine.  When somebody sends
me a free sample in the mail, that usually works fine too, but it's
sometimes so strongly perfumed that I forget it as fast as possible.

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I use the Ivory shampoo, since it is fairly cheap.  They do tend to change
it w/o warning, though.  The most recent bottle contained clear shampoo
instead of milky like before.

One hairdresser I used told me one doesn't need to put alot of conditioner in
and then wash it out.  He suggested that after you leave the shower, put a
small amount of conditioner in your palms, rub it around, smear it in your
hair, use a fine comb to comb it through and don't rinse it out.  Especially if
you use a "good" conditioner.  It works as wel as the more traditional way and
says alot of conditioner.

What counts as a "good" conditioner?

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That sounds like a description of what any conditioner is supposed 
to do.  So if it works as a rinse-out conditioner, it should also 
work as a comb-in?

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I have been using a Joyco product called Lite, lately and have been very
pleased with it.  It is only sold by hairdressers.  I have dry hair since I
perm it but with this product, it looks pretty good.  My husband has oily,
fine hair and he likes it a lot too.  A little more expensive than the
"arbor Drugs" stuff but we use only a litttle each time so it goes a long
way.

I tend to be one of these people who has used about every brand around..I guess
I am adicted to buying shampoo.  I found that the best kind for my hair is
Loreal's Hydravive Performance andthe conditioner called Deep Hydrating Masque.
 It has a nice smel (That is smell)

(What ever happened to the product called 'Cream Rinse?"

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Re #10-14, rinse-out vs comb-in: I tried the comb-in method last week.
It might have worked, if my hair were about 12-14 inches shorter,
but I had to use *more* conditioner than  usual just to get through the
first 6 inches, so resumed my usual rinse-out style for the remainder.
I use conditioner to reduce the pain & frustration of getting a comb 
through in the first place -- any other effects are secondary.

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After watching a tv program which had many of New York's top hairdresser's
talk about how to take care of your hair, I have stopped using conditioner.
 Or,if I do, I just put a tiny bit on the ends and rinse.  Thay all said that
American women use too much conditioner and it flattens our hair (especially
on top where I like to have fullness).  I also suggested to my husband, who's
hair is thinning (but don't mention it to him, he doesn't know) to try without
conditioner.  His hair may be a little more "fly away" but it looks much
fuller and thicker without.  They said you have to really rinse all shampoo
out very well.  I just got a perm yesterday and it will be interesting to see
how it looks after washing without conditioner.

FWIW, my hair was not towel-dry when I tried this, but dripping wet &
tangled (as usual).  There start to be broken-off ends at a little above
chin length, and from there to the ends is what I need conditioner for.
If my hair were no longer than Valerie's, I might not bother

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i have very long hair, that is fairly damaged.
i've yet to fing a good conditioner.

Now that I've got my perm, I am using conditioner again and it doesn't seem
to be helping.  I like the curl in my hair but not the frizz and lack of
shine.  Everything has a price.

My problem with a lot of shampoos and conditioners is that they either
don't clean well. they have a buildup, or my eyes are sensitive
to the fragrance...  I'm currently using "Frehair" shampoo
by Mastey, found at a beauty salan years ago,
not available in NC--so whenever I'm in MI, I heed to track some down...

Denise, I have been told that using Nutragena shampoo every week once or twice
prevents the buildup you speak of.  If you would really like, let me know and
I would send you Frehair (if I can find it) every once in awhile.  Is it worth
the cost of the shampoo and the shipping to you for me to do that?

I use whatever shampoo that is on sale at the time.  No conditioner, just
rinse with vinegar water.  Even when my hair was more than waist long.  The
hair dresser I had a few years ago said that my hair was in the best condition
he had ever seen hair in.  He never used conditioner on, even the time I had
it permed in tight curls, said I didn't need it and even started recommending
the vinegar rinse to his other customers.  Lemon juice and water work the
same.  Vinegar is recommended for brunettes and redheads, lemon juice for
blondes.

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    I just started using Aussie Mega and Fruit Salad Conditioner, and
it has tamed my hair a bit but only more use will tell. I'll keep you posted.

How is it on fruit salad?

rotfl.

 Almost 9 months later, I'm still using Aussie products and no complaints
whatsoever.

Thanks for the follow-up, omni.

Away back there valerie asked what Vinegar does for hair.  Well, hair is
supposed to have an acid mantle.  That protects it from breaking off and also
makes the hair shaft smooth so it's easier to comb.  That's also a large part
of what conditioners do. They replace the acid mantle that a detergent shampoo
removes.  The conditioner also uses wax or grease to further smooth out the
hair shaft ... which is only necessary if your hair has already been damaged.

Glenda and I have very different hair texture.  Mine tends to be very fine
and fly away, and very dry along the shaft, but extremely greasy at the scalp.
I often use a vinegar and water rinse and then follow it up with conditioner
only from chin level to the ends (around my hips).  It works pretty wellto
keep the top light and fluffy whilr protecting the ends from my comb and the
ravages of every day life.

As to the kind of shampoo I use -- I like the Pantene Pro-V because it leaves
my hair extremely silky.  But it builds up like crazy so I use the Pantene
for a bottle, then switch among many others for a while, then go back to
Pantene for a bottle.  I also keep some Panetene around for special occasions
even when I'm playing shampoo roulette.

Boy playing conference catchup after not having reasonable access for a
while does strange things to you.  The first response I got in this item
was my response #28 from way back in Nov 95.

In answer to Valerie's question as to what vinegar rinse does to the hair,
it helps to strip the build up from other products and any extra oils
(I have an oily scalp).  It leaves the hair shiny, soft and managable.
Lemon juice and water will do the same thing.  I use vinegar because it
helps to bring out and play up the natural red highlights that brown hair
often has.  Lemon juice will bring out blonde highlights as well as the
other things vinegar does.  I have read that grape juice does the same
while evening out the the color for black and very dark brown hair.

Since my hair is short now, I don't use vinegar every time I shampoo, but
still use it at least once or twice a week.

Hmmm, I found out something about Pantene Pro-V shampoo.  It really is great
for short hair, but for very long hair it seems to have a very drying effect
over time.  This may be because one of the ways that it makes hair so shiny
is through the use of an alcohol-based chemical.  That would make your hair
very shiny but would also dry the shaft out over time.  That's fine if you
cut your hair regularly, but if you seldom or never cut your hair (like me)
it gets to be a problem after a couple of years.  I still keep a bottle under
the counter for special occasions, but I use it very seldom nowadays.

Just though you should know.

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I tried that -- but after a while no amount of conditioner was working and
I had to cut several feet of it off.  As I say, though, I still use it, just
not daily.

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