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Why is this item following me around Grex?
I've retitled it. Might as well put it to appropriate use. Debussy is supposed to have depicted sex in Prelude a l'apres-midid d'un faune, and sex games in Jeux. Ravel's Bolero has long been thought to depict the sex act, from foreplay to orgasm but without any cuddling afterwards. Typical guy-music. Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis includes the cuddling. I'm sure there are lots of others. Anyone?
<DRIFT> I caught that Fantasia on WKAR the other day; it inspired me to seek out the 'theme': 'Third Psalter Tune', No. 92 in The English Hymnal, which RVW edited. </DRIFT> I've heard it several times, I think, but I never got the 'cuddling'. Nor the theme, though.
The cuddling comes after the climax. ;-) I've never heard the Tallis piece on which the Vaughan Williams is based. In the Vaughan Williams, the theme supposedly is announced right at the start, in the pizzicato notes in the basses. Are you sure the Fantasia you heard isn't the Fantasia on Greensleeves? It's much more famous than the Tallis Fantasia, but as pretty as it is it is incomparably inferior to the Tallis Fantasia.
'Twas introduced as the Tallis fantasia, and the music wasn't the Greensleeves fantasia (isn't that actually "Three English Folksongs", one of which is "Greensleeves"?)
Could be.
The RVW "English Folksong Suite" is the 3-song suite, afaik. ("Seventeen Come
Sunday," "My Bonny Boy," & one other) I seem to rember that "Greensleeves"
was taken from an entr'acte RVW wrote for an opera.
Right. "Sir John in Love"
Anyone have a recommendation for a recording of "Sir John in Love"? I've never seen one, or heard one for that matter. RVW is one of my favourite composers.
http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2001/Oct01/RVW_Sir_John.htm
My most recent RVW rave is "Job: A Masque for Dancing". Doesn't sound like ballet music (if I'd known that, I'dve looked it up sooner). Dates between the 3rd and 4th Symphonies, and sounds a little like both. And like a lot of other stuff: essence of VW, really. Sex in music? Well, music in sex I can't take. Either stop and listen to the music, or turn it off: too distracting. Warm romantic music I can believe in, but music that supposedly imitates the sex act sounds stupid. All-time worst to my ears, some song by Tina Turner that was supposedly orgasmic, but which sounded like a large person heaving around loudly and obviously faking orgasm.
Much of Scriabin's music has erotic content, some of it so apparently blatent that it was offensive to the audiences of his day.
There are better reasons to be offended by Scriabin's music.
Could you elaborate?
self-indulgent, miasmic, incessantly chromatic in that charming pre- Schoenbergian way ...
Heh, I'd have to agree with all of your descriptors (perhaps doing without the "pre-Schoenberg" comment), but I love the finished effect. I find much of his music to be absolutely stunning... and anybody who likes Chopin can't possibly be offended by the op. 16 preludes.
"pre-Schoenbergian" was not, as a word, intended as a criticism, but simply to note that there is a characteristic style of pre-12tone (to be precise, pre-atonal) chromaticism characteristic of a lot of fl. 1900 composers, of whom Scriabin is a prime example.
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