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Grex Classicalmusic Item 63: Sex and classical music
Entered by angel21 on Tue Feb 5 10:43:43 UTC 2002:

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#1 of 17 by davel on Tue Feb 5 14:56:24 2002:

Why is this item following me around Grex?


#2 of 17 by md on Tue Feb 5 17:04:48 2002:

I've retitled it.  Might as well put it to appropriate use.

Debussy is supposed to have depicted sex in Prelude a l'apres-midid 
d'un faune, and sex games in Jeux.  Ravel's Bolero has long been 
thought to depict the sex act, from foreplay to orgasm but without any 
cuddling afterwards.  Typical guy-music.  Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on 
a Theme by Thomas Tallis includes the cuddling.  I'm sure there are 
lots of others.  Anyone?


#3 of 17 by gelinas on Wed Feb 6 05:58:21 2002:

<DRIFT>
I caught that Fantasia on WKAR the other day; it inspired me to seek
out the 'theme':  'Third Psalter Tune', No. 92 in The English Hymnal,
which RVW edited.
</DRIFT>

I've heard it several times, I think, but I never got the 'cuddling'.  Nor
the theme, though.


#4 of 17 by md on Wed Feb 6 12:37:18 2002:

The cuddling comes after the climax.  ;-)  I've never heard the Tallis 
piece on which the Vaughan Williams is based.  In the Vaughan Williams, 
the theme supposedly is announced right at the start, in the pizzicato 
notes in the basses.  Are you sure the Fantasia you heard isn't the 
Fantasia on Greensleeves?  It's much more famous than the Tallis 
Fantasia, but as pretty as it is it is incomparably inferior to the 
Tallis Fantasia.


#5 of 17 by gelinas on Wed Feb 6 18:32:36 2002:

'Twas introduced as the Tallis fantasia, and the music wasn't the Greensleeves
fantasia (isn't that actually  "Three English Folksongs", one of which is
"Greensleeves"?)


#6 of 17 by md on Wed Feb 6 20:17:35 2002:

Could be.  


#7 of 17 by micklpkl on Thu Feb 14 03:34:41 2002:

The RVW "English Folksong Suite" is the 3-song suite, afaik. ("Seventeen Come
Sunday," "My Bonny Boy," & one other) I seem to rember that "Greensleeves"
was taken from an entr'acte RVW wrote for an opera. 


#8 of 17 by md on Thu Feb 14 05:40:45 2002:

Right.  "Sir John in Love"


#9 of 17 by micklpkl on Thu Feb 14 18:47:03 2002:

Anyone have a recommendation for a recording of "Sir John in Love"? I've never
seen one, or heard one for that matter. RVW is one of my favourite composers.


#10 of 17 by md on Thu Feb 14 21:46:39 2002:

http://www.musicweb.uk.net/classrev/2001/Oct01/RVW_Sir_John.htm


#11 of 17 by dbratman on Mon Mar 11 22:18:31 2002:

My most recent RVW rave is "Job: A Masque for Dancing".  Doesn't sound 
like ballet music (if I'd known that, I'dve looked it up sooner).  
Dates between the 3rd and 4th Symphonies, and sounds a little like 
both.  And like a lot of other stuff: essence of VW, really.

Sex in music?  Well, music in sex I can't take.  Either stop and listen 
to the music, or turn it off: too distracting.

Warm romantic music I can believe in, but music that supposedly 
imitates the sex act sounds stupid.  All-time worst to my ears, some 
song by Tina Turner that was supposedly orgasmic, but which sounded 
like a large person heaving around loudly and obviously faking orgasm.


#12 of 17 by coyote on Thu Mar 21 16:47:39 2002:

Much of Scriabin's music has erotic content, some of it so apparently blatent
that it was offensive to the audiences of his day.


#13 of 17 by dbratman on Tue Apr 2 00:11:50 2002:

There are better reasons to be offended by Scriabin's music.


#14 of 17 by coyote on Thu Apr 4 01:36:07 2002:

Could you elaborate?


#15 of 17 by dbratman on Fri Apr 5 01:01:27 2002:

self-indulgent, miasmic, incessantly chromatic in that charming pre-
Schoenbergian way ...


#16 of 17 by coyote on Fri Apr 5 02:32:46 2002:

Heh, I'd have to agree with all of your descriptors (perhaps doing without
the "pre-Schoenberg" comment), but I love the finished effect.  I find much
of his music to be absolutely stunning... and anybody who likes Chopin can't
possibly be offended by the op. 16 preludes.


#17 of 17 by dbratman on Thu Apr 11 18:21:04 2002:

"pre-Schoenbergian" was not, as a word, intended as a criticism, but 
simply to note that there is a characteristic style of pre-12tone (to 
be precise, pre-atonal) chromaticism characteristic of a lot of fl. 
1900 composers, of whom Scriabin is a prime example.

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