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Grex Cflirt Item 49: wow...one more time..
Entered by phenix on Mon Jan 27 19:57:59 UTC 2003:

http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0301/030127virginity.html
is the hymen that big a deal?

14 responses total.

#1 of 14 by senna on Tue Jan 28 04:30:43 2003:

Are the guys deluding themselves, or do they enjoy re-breaking hymens even
when they know that they're not going where No Man has Gone before?

#2 of 14 by michaela on Tue Jan 28 09:58:11 2003:

I have no idea what to say about this.  :-P

#3 of 14 by jazz on Tue Jan 28 14:45:56 2003:

        A god ignored is a demon born.

#4 of 14 by phenix on Tue Jan 28 15:59:26 2003:

where is that from john?

#5 of 14 by jazz on Thu Jan 30 16:01:36 2003:

        Liber Kaos.

#6 of 14 by phenix on Thu Jan 30 18:55:22 2003:

nifty

#7 of 14 by jaklumen on Sun Feb 2 10:48:36 2003:

I really wish I was more acquainted with Japanese culture, or at least 
understood Oriental philosophy in general better.  It's somewhat 
difficult to analyze this with a Western and American viewpoint.

#8 of 14 by cyklone on Sun Feb 2 21:45:16 2003:

Having said that you are already half way there. One recurring theme in
non-Western religions is the distinction between subjective,
internally-driven perceptions of reality and the belief in a more
objective non-human mediated reality. "Analyzing" such philosophies
requires an understanding that your "Western and American viewpoint" often
represents the subjective reality side of the coin while masquerading as
the objective side. By recognizing this already you have begun
understanding those other philosophies.

#9 of 14 by jaklumen on Mon Feb 3 08:56:08 2003:

If you are referring to the fact that I recognize my biases, then, 
yes, I suppose so.  The problem is that I am a very subjective person 
and an idealist by nature.  The Oriental philosophies present some 
challenges.  One is the strong sense of traditionalism.  Now I don't 
mind tradition, as I follow the classic style of dress, but I don't 
generally follow tradition for tradition's sake.  The concept of honor 
also eludes me.  From what I understand, the Japanese system of honor 
is based upon prestation, position of power, age, etc., etc.  Attack 
on the ego can be seen as an attack upon honor.  As much as I believe 
in honor, I believe it should be tempered by virtue.  Perhaps I 
misunderstand.

Much of Oriental culture is very group-centered.  Part of me thinks 
this would be wonderful, as I have a strong hunger to belong.  But I 
am not sure I would be able to handle the pressure to conform.  And 
yet on the other hand, I'm not sure Americans understand that their 
sense of individualism is largely a myth-- while there is a message to 
be different, there is an even larger, unspoken message that such 
difference should belong to some group somewhere.  I don't think many 
Americans would be happy to be the lone wolf forever.

#10 of 14 by polytarp on Mon Feb 3 22:32:38 2003:

jacklumen spouts BULL SHIT.

#11 of 14 by cyklone on Mon Feb 3 23:53:32 2003:

Actually, he simply confused Eastern *culture* with Eastern *philosophy.* I
suspect Confucianism (sp?) may be part of the problem. I think he is also
overly focused on the Japanese, based on my reading of #9.

#12 of 14 by polytarp on Tue Feb 4 00:22:12 2003:

No.  You should read what lelande said about him.  You KNOW lelande is NEVER
wrong.

#13 of 14 by jaklumen on Thu Feb 6 06:22:14 2003:

Not to sound lame, but I figured there was a difference between the 
culture and the philosophy.  Wasn't sure how to separate the two, but 
as poor Phillie boy doesn't realize, I'm not ashamed to have someone 
enlighten me.

I'm not really familiar with Confucianism.. why do you say that?

As for being overly focused on the Japanese-- oh yeah, probably, but 
then, the quoted web site is about the Japanese.

#14 of 14 by polytarp on Sun Feb 9 18:44:03 2003:

Okay, uh, I didn't even suggest that about you.

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