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Grex Agora Item 57: BLM - can one make a solution without identifying the problem?
Entered by tod on Tue Jul 7 16:51:11 UTC 2020:

Terry Crews is pointing out the hypocrisy and racism of BLM while Don
Lemon refuses to acknowledge what Terry is conveying.
The statement is simple: Black Lives Matter and need to be saved from
ALL violence.  The BLM narrative only wants to point at white people
as perpetrators.
Terry makes a good analogy about the pilots in the 1970's who couldn't
be questioned as many commercial airliners were crashing.
DUI flight was one of the major contributors, btw.
In this case, urban neighborhoods have violent criminals who are
black but get a 'free pass' - in Don Lemon's approach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=lzR8x_jlGaI&feature=emb_lo
go

13 responses total.



#1 of 13 by cross on Wed Jul 8 14:16:20 2020:

This is a silly argument.

Yes, black on black crime exceeds white-on-black crime, but that's
rather beside the point: the question is, rightly, WHY is the crime
rate higher in the black community? The answer is that it's the
direct result of YEARS of anti-Black discrimination and segregation,
ghettoization, etc, that have created economic and social conditions
that lead to and perpetuate the current state of affairs. White
society has conveniently ignored its part in setting the current
conditions by systematically relegating the black community to
secondary status. Case in point: black kids are more likely to
face disproportionate punishment for the same crime than a white
kid.

It's easy to point fingers at the black community and point out all
its problems. It's much harder to dig a little and ask WHY those
problems exist at all in the first place.


#2 of 13 by tod on Wed Jul 8 16:54:54 2020:

re #1
 WHY is the crime
 rate higher in the black community?

The crime rate is higher in lower income communities.  Lower law enforcement
budgets and less opportunities for income are a formula for crime.

Disproportionate punishment again falls on the lower income community
having less qualified public defense and less than desirable recruitment
of its law enforcement.  It's a money thing.
A racist thing?  That's a symptom but as Terry Crews points out there is
plenty of finger pointing to go around on cause/perpetrator.
I believe lower income communities are underserved and illserved by their
local elected officials creating a larger impact than peripheral
racial intent by those outside its community.  This is from experience
growing up in Detroit where it was dog eat dog politics.  The school board
and city council DO NOT CARE.  People don't vote logically.
How to fix that?  Get thee the hell out of urban decay and poor mental
attitude society.  Changing one's democraphic surroundings is literally
the most direct way to change things.  Flint MI is a prison, an 
institution, and a cancer.  It'd be hard to blame it on racism as much
as it has to do with organized crime controlling government.


#3 of 13 by papa on Wed Jul 8 23:40:19 2020:

resp:2 tod is exactly right.


#4 of 13 by tod on Thu Jul 9 03:00:26 2020:

Conversely, I think it is a sign of short sightedness when people 
reply to BLM with "All Lives Matter".  It's ok to reaffirm support
to the Black community - just as support for the queer community or 
to the Jewish community or any other group.  "All Lives Matter" is
passive aggressive to the discussion.  
That said, I think the BLM movement is led by charlatans who are
an embarrassment to the Black community.  


#5 of 13 by papa on Thu Jul 9 22:12:39 2020:

resp:4
I disagree about "All Lives Matter". It was the shouting down of that slogan
that revealed BLM to be the racist movement that it is.


#6 of 13 by tod on Fri Jul 10 14:27:47 2020:

re #5
It means different things to different supporters.
The "BLM matters more" thing is ridiculous and divisive - but saying it
"matters now" makes sense.  The "you can only say BLM" is also divisive.


#7 of 13 by walkman on Fri Jul 10 16:19:04 2020:

"Black lives matter" isn't a Black cause and it wasnt set up by blacks.
Blacklivesmatter.com has a "donate" button which directs you to a DNC 
donation site called "act blue":
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/ms_blm_homepage_2019

Here's a piece about actblue.com 
https://youtu.be/A89ufCCtUZM

Antifa is behind the looting, riots and arson. Look at the people being 
arrested. Look at the faces in the crowds. Most are white. Burning down 
black neighborhoods for justice? Ask yourself if white suburban basement
 dwellers with their little outlaw costumes looting and burning stores
in  black neighborhoods advances the lives of blacks.

Ask yourself why the media pushes so hard to deny that antifa exists.
They literally show up to riots carry antifa flags. 

If black lives really mattered to anyone who claims to care, they would 
be donating and volunteering for literacy programs and career seminars. 
That's how you lift people out of poverty. But the majority just want to
 virtue signal. 

The media tells us burning down a Wendy's is justice. Once those 
businesses are looted and burned, there go the jobs and the access to 
goods and services. If you keep them down, they will always vote 
Democrat so there's that. 

Anyone who disagrees is welcome to debate me.
Or... let's keep it simple. Just start with explaining what the desired 
endgame is of the leftist revolution.
...
Is saying "all lives matter" hostile?
Think about it from a literal sense. 
The emphasis on blame and division is so strong, the idea that being 
more inclusive is outrageous or even racist. I find that surreal. It is 
really contrarian to be more inclusive? 
Remember "I am a man"? It didn't say "Men are black". It was inclusive. 
There are scores of people saying "white lives don't matter" on Twitter,
 youtube, etc. See the road we are going down?

Can anyone tell me just two things about the recent protests or riots 
that furthered the lives of blacks? 

Can anyone tell me how corporations with BLM website banners further the
 lives of blacks?

How about defending police departments in black neighborhoods? How does 
that help black people? Do you think that will help people in need when 
their home is robbed or when someone is raped? 

Black lives matter right? 


#8 of 13 by walkman on Fri Jul 10 16:29:00 2020:

That was supposed to read "defunding" not "defending".

Speaking of Marxist revolutions that use race and class as weapons, have
 you heard of flesh banquets during the Chinese cultural revolution?
They  rounded up political enemies and threats (teachers,
intellectuals),  killed them and ate them in lavish culture rituals.

https://www.businessinsider.com/afp-flesh-banquets-of-chinas-cultural-
revolution-remain-unspoken-50-years-on-2016-5

Erasing your whiteness. All whites are inherently racist.
Silence is violence.
Speaking up is racist, rooted in privilege.
Go down the road, history repeats.

Erasing your history and culture and replacing it with blame and 
division. Lots of rules. Lots of blame and repression. 

All of this stemming from one wrongful death.

Take the entire system down with all of the pain, violence, murder and 
destruction it involves for...justice. 



#9 of 13 by tod on Sat Jul 11 18:13:30 2020:

Is it insurrection or civil war?  Either way, it's socialist propaganda
just like we saw in Central America in the 50-80's.


#10 of 13 by walkman on Mon Jul 13 18:19:52 2020:

A Convicted Terrorist Sits On Board Of Charity Handling Black Lives 
Matter Fundraising

https://dailycaller.com/2020/06/27/convicted-terrorist-black-lives-
matter-thousand-currents/

"Rosenberg s involvement with the May 19 Communist Organization, 
which carried out its bombing campaign to create a contrast to 
former President Ronald Reagan s  Morning in America  campaign 
promise, earned her a spot on the FBI s Most Wanted List, according 
to The Washington Examiner. She was arrested in New Jersey in 1984 
while unloading 740 pounds of stolen explosives and a sub-machine 
gun from a truck.

Rosenberg was released from prison in 2001 after having her sentence 
commuted by Clinton, serving 16 years of her 58-year prison 
sentence."


#11 of 13 by tod on Tue Jul 14 04:17:34 2020:

Clemency from Clinton is my next punk band


#12 of 13 by lar on Sat Sep 12 13:55:34 2020:

re#1
"it's all the white man's fault" BALONY...that is just a cop out. It's just
a whiny talking point from the leftist terrorists that are burning our cities
in the name of socila justice....and it's kool-aid drinking goobers such as
yourself that is encouraging them with your golf clap. Why don't YOU dig a
little deeper into the reasons instead of pretending that you have actually
researched the issue? I tell you what...I volunteer YOUR salary to make
reparations for the injustice!


#13 of 13 by walkman on Sat Sep 12 20:11:45 2020:

#1 Steps around/avoids the facts.
1. BLM funding does not further the lives of blacks.
2. BLM activists are not peaceful.
3. BLM activists are mostly white.
4. No justice comes from looting, arson, murder or violence.
5. Antifa does not represent black Americans with rioting and no justice
 is served for anyone. 6. Real justice comes from uplifting people with
resources, not arson  and looting.  7. The main point of #1 "It's easy
to point fingers at the black  community and point out all its problems"
is a straw man argument. Most  are not upset with the black community
and they are certainly not  blaming them for their problems. Most are
upset at white, entitled  terrorists for burning down cities and
terrorizing people in the name of  social justice. 

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