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Grex Agora Item 51: Bio-weapon from China
Entered by walkman on Thu Apr 23 14:01:52 UTC 2020:

It has already been established that China knew about the virus back 
in November and rather than control the situation, denied it existed 
and took the precaution of locking down and protecting Communist 
party officials while letting Wuhan residents continue as is. In the 
meantime, over a half a million Chinese traveled to America. 

Deception
China denied human to human transmission as late as February, while 
knowing that this new Corona virus was highly contagious and deadly.

Now it has been revealed that China employed agents to sow fear and 
uncertainty that caused a virus panic. It is my contention that 
based on the evidence, China is an obvious bad player, likely had 
engineered a bio-weapon in a Wuhan virus lab, covered it up, sent 
people abroad to spread the virus, covered it up, blamed America and 
spread disinformation to cause panic and economic devastation. China 
is no longer a "favored nation" frenemy. It is an adversary. America 
needs to cut all economic ties to China.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/politics/coronavirus-china-
disinformation.html

Because NYT has a paywall, the article is below:

Chinese Agents Helped Spread Messages That Sowed Virus Panic in 
U.S., Officials Say
American officials were alarmed by fake text messages and social 
media posts that said President Trump was locking down the country. 
Experts see a convergence with Russian tactics.

WASHINGTON   The alarming messages came fast and furious in mid-
March, popping up on the cellphone screens and social media feeds of 
millions of Americans grappling with the onset of the coronavirus 
pandemic.

Spread the word, the messages said: The Trump administration was 
about to lock down the entire country.

 They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to 
help prevent looters and rioters,  warned one of the messages, which 
cited a source in the Department of Homeland Security.  He said he 
got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the 
call today with his dispatch orders. 

The messages became so widespread over 48 hours that the White 
House s National Security Council issued an announcement via Twitter 
that they were  FAKE. 

Since that wave of panic, United States intelligence agencies have 
assessed that Chinese operatives helped push the messages across 
platforms, according to six American officials, who spoke on the 
condition of anonymity to publicly discuss intelligence matters. The 
amplification techniques are alarming to officials because the 
disinformation showed up as texts on many Americans  cellphones, a 
tactic that several of the officials said they had not seen before.

That has spurred agencies to look at new ways in which China, Russia 
and other nations are using a range of platforms to spread 
disinformation during the pandemic, they said.

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The origin of the messages remains murky. American officials 
declined to reveal details of the intelligence linking Chinese 
agents to the dissemination of the disinformation, citing the need 
to protect their sources and methods for monitoring Beijing s 
activities.

The officials interviewed for this article work in six different 
agencies. They included both career civil servants and political 
appointees, and some have spent many years analyzing China. Their 
broader warnings about China s spread of disinformation are 
supported by recent findings from outside bipartisan research 
groups, including the Alliance for Securing Democracy and the Center 
for a New American Security, which is expected to release a report 
on the topic next month.

Two American officials stressed they did not believe Chinese 
operatives created the lockdown messages, but rather amplified 
existing ones. Those efforts enabled the messages to catch the 
attention of enough people that they then spread on their own, with 
little need for further work by foreign agents. The messages 
appeared to gain significant traction on Facebook as they were also 
proliferating through texts, according to an analysis by The New 
York Times.

American officials said the operatives had adopted some of the 
techniques mastered by Russia-backed trolls, such as creating fake 
social media accounts to push messages to sympathetic Americans, who 
in turn unwittingly help spread them.

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The officials say the Chinese agents also appear to be using texts 
and encrypted messaging apps as part of their campaigns. It is much 
harder for researchers and law enforcement officers to track 
disinformation spread through text messages and encrypted apps than 
on social media platforms.

American intelligence officers are also examining whether spies in 
China s diplomatic missions in the United States helped spread the 
fake lockdown messages, a senior American official said. American 
agencies have recently increased their scrutiny of Chinese diplomats 
and employees of state-run media organizations. In September, the 
State Department secretly expelled two employees of the Chinese 
Embassy in Washington suspected of spying.

Other rival powers might have been involved in the dissemination, 
too. And Americans with prominent online or news media platforms 
unknowingly helped amplify the messages. Misinformation has 
proliferated during the pandemic   in recent weeks, some pro-Trump 
news outlets have promoted anti-American conspiracy theories, 
including one that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory in 
the United States.

American officials said China, borrowing from Russia s strategies, 
has been trying to widen political divisions in the United States. 
As public dissent simmers over lockdown policies in several states, 
officials worry it will be easy for China and Russia to amplify the 
partisan disagreements.

 It is part of the playbook of spreading division,  said Senator 
Angus King, independent of Maine, adding that private individuals 
have identified some social media bots that helped promote the 
recent lockdown protests that some fringe conservative groups have 
nurtured.

The propaganda efforts go beyond text messages and social media 
posts directed at Americans. In China, top officials have issued 
directives to agencies to engage in a global disinformation campaign 
around the virus, the American officials said.

Some American intelligence officers are especially concerned about 
disinformation aimed at Europeans that pro-China actors appear to 
have helped spread. The messages stress the idea of disunity among 
European nations during the crisis and praise China s  donation 
diplomacy,  American officials said. Left unmentioned are reports of 
Chinese companies delivering shoddy equipment and European leaders 
expressing skepticism over China s handling of its outbreak.

Mr. Trump himself has shown little concern about China s actions. He 
has consistently praised the handling of the pandemic by Chinese 
leaders    Much respect!  he wrote on Twitter on March 27. Three 
days later, he dismissed worries over China s use of disinformation 
when asked about it on Fox News.

 They do it and we do it and we call them different things,  he 
said.  Every country does it. 

Asked about the new accusations, the Chinese Foreign Ministry 
released a statement on Tuesday that said,  The relevant statements 
are complete nonsense and not worth refuting.  Zhao Lijian, a 
ministry spokesman, has separately rebutted persistent accusations 
by American officials that China has supplied bad information and 
exhibited a broader lack of transparency during the pandemic.  We 
urge the U.S. to stop political manipulation, get its own house in 
order and focus more on fighting the epidemic and boosting the 
economy,  Mr. Zhao said at a news conference on Friday.

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An Information War
The United States and China are engaged in a titanic information war 
over the pandemic, one that has added a new dimension to their 
global rivalry.

President Trump and his aides are trying to put the spotlight on 
China as they face intense criticism over the federal government s 
widespread failures in responding to the pandemic, which has killed 
more than 40,000 Americans. President Xi Jinping and the Chinese 
Communist Party are trying to shore up domestic and international 
support after earlier cover-ups that allowed the virus to spread.

As diplomatic tensions rose and Beijing scrambled to control the 
narrative, the Chinese government last month expelled American 
journalists for three U.S. news organizations, including The Times.

The extent to which the United States might be engaging in its own 
covert information warfare in China is not clear. While the C.I.A. 
in recent decades has tried to support pro-democracy opposition 
figures in some countries, Chinese counterintelligence officers 
eviscerated the agency s network of informants in China about a 
decade ago, hurting its ability to conduct operations there.

Chinese officials accuse Mr. Trump and his allies of overtly 
peddling malicious or bad information, pointing to the president s 
repeatedly calling the coronavirus a  Chinese virus  or the 
suggestion by some Republicans that the virus may have originated as 
a Chinese bioweapon, a theory that U.S. intelligence agencies have 
since ruled out. (Many Americans have also criticized Mr. Trump s 
language as racist.)

Republican strategists have decided that bashing China over the 
virus will shore up support for Mr. Trump and other conservative 
politicians before the November elections.

Given the toxic information environment, foreign policy analysts are 
worried that the Trump administration may politicize intelligence 
work or make selective leaks to promote an anti-China narrative. 
Those concerns hover around the speculation over the origin of the 
virus. American officials in the past have selectively passed 
intelligence to reporters to shape the domestic political landscape; 
the most notable instance was under President George W. Bush in the 
run-up to the Iraq War.


ImageZhao Lijian, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, has 
rebutted accusations that Beijing has not been transparent during 
the pandemic.
Zhao Lijian, a spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, has 
rebutted accusations that Beijing has not been transparent during 
the pandemic.Credit...Carlos Garcia Rawlins/Reuters
But it has been clear for more than a month that the Chinese 
government is pushing disinformation and anti-American conspiracy 
theories related to the pandemic. Mr. Zhao, the Foreign Ministry 
spokesman, wrote on Twitter in March that the U.S. Army might have 
taken the virus to the Chinese city of Wuhan. That message was then 
amplified by the official Twitter accounts of Chinese embassies and 
consulates.

The state-run China Global Television Network produced a video 
targeting viewers in the Middle East in which a presenter speaking 
Arabic asserted that  some new facts  indicated that the pandemic 
might have originated from American participants in a military 
sports competition in October in Wuhan. The network has an audience 
of millions, and the video has had more than 365,000 views on 
YouTube.

 What we ve seen is the C.C.P. mobilizing its global messaging 
apparatus, which includes state media as well as Chinese diplomats, 
to push out selected and localized versions of the same overarching 
false narratives,  Lea Gabrielle, coordinator of the Global 
Engagement Center in the State Department, said in late March, 
referring to the Chinese Communist Party.

Some analysts say it is core to China s new, aggressive   Wolf 
Warrior  diplomacy,  a term that refers to a patriotic Chinese 
military action film series.

But Chinese diplomats and operators of official media accounts 
recently began moving away from overt disinformation, Ms. Gabrielle 
said. That dovetailed with a tentative truce Mr. Trump and Mr. Xi 
reached over publicly sniping about the virus.

American officials said Chinese agencies are most likely embracing 
covert propagation of disinformation in its place. Current and 
former American officials have said they are seeing Chinese 
operatives adopt online strategies long used by Russian agents   a 
phenomenon that also occurred during the Hong Kong protests last 
year. Some Chinese operatives have promoted disinformation that 
originated on Russia-aligned websites, they said.

And the apparent aim of spreading the fake lockdown messages last 
month is consistent with a type of disinformation favored by Russian 
actors   namely sowing chaos and undermining confidence among 
Americans in the U.S. government, the officials said.

 As Beijing and Moscow move to shape the global information 
environment both independently and jointly through a wide range of 
digital tools, they have established several diplomatic channels and 
forums through which they can exchange best practices,  said 
Kristine Lee, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security who 
researches disinformation from China and Russia.

 I d anticipate, as we have seen in recent months, that their mutual 
learning around these tools will migrate to increasingly cutting-
edge capabilities that are difficult to detect but yield maximal 
payoff in eroding American influence and democratic institutions 
globally,  she added.

 There Is No National Lockdown 
The amplification of the fake lockdown messages was a notable 
instance of China s use of covert disinformation messaging, American 
officials said.

A couple of versions of the message circulated widely, according to 
The Times analysis. The first instance tracked by The Times appeared 
on March 13, as many state officials were enacting social distancing 
policies. This version said Mr. Trump was about to invoke the 
Stafford Act to shut down the country.

The messages generally attributed their contents to a friend in a 
federal agency   the Pentagon, the State Department, the Department 
of Homeland Security, the F.B.I., the C.I.A. and so on. Over days, 
hundreds of identical posts appeared on Facebook and the online 
message board 4chan, among other places, and spread through texts.

Another version appeared on March 15, The Times found. This one said 
Mr. Trump was about to deploy the National Guard, military units and 
emergency responders across the United States while imposing a one-
week nationwide quarantine.

That same day, the National Security Council announced on Twitter 
that the messages were fake.

 There is no national lockdown,  it said, adding that the Centers 
for Disease Control and Prevention  has and will continue to post 
the latest guidance. 

Samantha Vinograd, who was a staff employee at the National Security 
Council during the Obama administration, replied to the council s 
tweet, recounting her experience with the disinformation.

 I received several texts from loved ones about content they 
received containing various rumors   they were explicitly asked to 
share it with their networks,  she wrote.  I advised them to do the 
opposite. Misinfo is not what we need right now   from any source 
foreign or domestic. 

Since January, Americans have shared many other messages that 
included disinformation: that the virus originated in a U.S. Army 
laboratory at Fort Detrick in Maryland, that it can be killed with 
garlic water, vitamin C or colloidal silver, that it thrives on 
ibuprofen. Often the posts are attributed to an unnamed source in 
the U.S. government or an institution such as Johns Hopkins 
University or Stanford University.

As the messages have sown confusion, it has been difficult to trace 
their true origins or pin down all the ways in which they have been 
amplified.

Ben Decker contributed reporting from Boston. Claire Fu contributed 
research.

163 responses total.



#1 of 163 by tod on Fri Apr 24 16:16:22 2020:

To be fair, when i hear "colloidal silver" then I smell Alex Jones taco
wagon around the corner.

To be sure, shutting down commercial air travel in teh USA is always
going to benefit America's adversaries.
It's also a good judgement call that the media is not in the business
of keeping the peace nor promoting civil discourse - it is in the 
entertainment business and has been for decades.  It is a bad actor.
China has every reason to conduct psyops on its competition - all of the
superpowers do this.  COVID mayhem has been very successful - and just
20 years ago we were calling this sort of thing WMD.
Why is everyone pussyfooting around the fact that China unleashed WMD?


#2 of 163 by walkman on Fri Apr 24 23:56:46 2020:

Side note: Silver is used by doctors as a topical dressing for burns,
staph infections, and other skin maladies. I doubt it can do anything
for anyone when ingested. Like so much quackery, people take something
that is real and pervert it. Now people are advocating drinking bleach
for covid. Suckers born every minute. 

I keep going back to SARS and MERS, both corona viruses in my mind. No
notable media freak out. No one told to stay at home. Tens of thousands
dead in the United States. The ordinary flu kills tens of thousands a
year. Something is very wrong with the fear porn on evening news. They
are narrating a fast-paced, high production catastrophe; creating a new
reality. As I pointed out, they are repeating "new reality" like a new
mantra. "Things will NEVER be the same." You know what's odd? I bet the
inactivity saved more lives from car accidents than virus deaths. maybe
I'm wrong. No one wants to talk about tens of thousands dying from cars
every year. 

I received a letter from my employer that said that when we do go back,
we will have to check in to a checkpoint each day (i'm serious) where we
have to fill out a form acknowledging well being, answer health
questions, get our temperature scanned and will be handed a fresh mask.
Imagine the lines of cars pouring out of the parking lot. If you fail
the temperature test, you get escorted to a medical station. The mask
must be worn at all times. They have glove and wipe stations. Employees
must space themselves 6 feet apart. It sounds like an authoritarian's
dream. Work with a pay-cut under an extreme locked down environment
while given 2x the work.

China. WMD. I can see the connection/comparison.
So many are afraid to criticize because the slave-production model that
brings in those big bonuses is threatened. Others afraid to be
politically incorrect. But the facts remain well documented - China
knew. China covered up. China allowed people to spread the virus and
travel. China spread propaganda. China blamed the US.

Now, I'm not naive. I know that the United States spreads State
propaganda globally. Voice of America and other outlets. Yes.  Many
times we hear about the horrors other governments perpetrate. Hacking
other nations. Sterilizing populations. Medical experiments. Various
other unethical things. But in this case, China went over the line IMO.
There's no sense in playing patty-cake. Most nations agree that chemical
weapons are a no-no. What's the difference here? Bioweapon is much more
deadly and effective. 

I was watching a documentary on the Nazis giving methamphetamine tablets
(Pervitin) to their "super soldiers" (and Hitler) so they would stay
awake for days and have no empathy when killing. The documentary even
claimed that the Brits captured a guy and did an chemical analysis on
his pills and "never saw anything like it." Well, the silly thing is
that America and GB sold amphetamine tablets before the war and gave
their solders millions of them. Everyone had their super soldiers. No
one is innocent. Everyone playing the game, only we hear one-sided
stories. 


#3 of 163 by tod on Sat Apr 25 05:05:50 2020:

https://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/6/6a/Soldier_137.jpg/600px-Soldier_137.
jpg

Meth fueled WW2 and IBM kept score.
Pretty sure this bioweapon is a WMD - the economic damage of it.


#4 of 163 by lar on Sat Apr 25 14:57:37 2020:

RE#2

Yeah I am gagging on the "new reality" and "things will never be the
same  again" statements that the media is vomiting all over America. it
was the  same with 9-11. A tragic event was wrested,twisted and
exaggerated in  order to fulfill the globalist traitor's plot for
control. We are seeing  another sub-section of that same plot being
played out here and now. I  marvel that people are such sheep that they
PRAISE the government for  shutting down commerce,sports,entertainment
and even religious gatherings. I am sick of the people who look for
handouts while chanting "take my  freedom, I will be your slave". It's a
sickening end to a great experiment  on individual freedom.


#5 of 163 by tod on Mon Apr 27 04:30:20 2020:

China probably bumped off NK's supreme leader as a "here, have a scooby
snack and start buying our stuff again"


#6 of 163 by walkman on Wed Apr 29 22:45:23 2020:

Heres a disgusting argument for censorship of the internet from a 
mainstream source:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/what-covid-revealed-
about-internet/610549/


#7 of 163 by tod on Thu Apr 30 14:08:46 2020:

re #6
Jack Goldsmith's contributed articles in the Atlantic include:
Internet Speech Will Never Go Back to Normal
--In the debate over freedom versus control of the global network, China 
was largely correct, and the U.S. was wrong.

The FBI Needs to Be Reformed
--The inspector generals report identified real weaknesses, particularly 
with the policies and procedures that govern investigations of political 
campaigns.

The Cost of Trumps Attacks on the FBI
--When Cabinet officials dont push back on Trumps efforts to 
delegitimize their agencies, they leave their staff frustrated and 
demoralized.

Will Donald Trump Destroy the Presidency?
--He disdains the rule of law. Hes trampling norms of presidential 
behavior.
And hes bringing vital institutions down with him.

Goldsmith is a writer in one of the alternate 
universes of Man In The High Tower or a teletype alien voice in 
Counterpart.  The disdain for executive powers 
and embrace of censorship screams Proletariat.


#8 of 163 by walkman on Thu Apr 30 23:41:50 2020:

Reprehensible human being.


#9 of 163 by tod on Sun May 3 00:47:02 2020:

Sinatra called people like this pimps and prostitutes.  They lurk in the
shadows waiting for the 1 in 1,000 screwups to call normal.


#10 of 163 by tod on Tue May 19 01:33:06 2020:

When our Hunter/Gatherer cultures run out of things to gather (jobs)
then what happens next resembled WWI and WWII.


#11 of 163 by walkman on Fri May 29 23:30:56 2020:

What happens when the government stops handing out cash to the pampered
working/welfare class ($1200 Nikes, $1200 iphones, etc)? Are the
media-sponsored riots a clue? Ever notice that police brutality videos
come out of nowhere and inundate the news cycle from time to time?

What will printing all that money (government handouts/quantitative
easing) do to the economy? To the relative value of the dollar? 

What will happen once the mail-in-ballots bring in Biden? 
Retribution? Permanent cycles of virus lock-downs?

I believe that companies are using corona as an excuse for cut-backs.
The unemployment % is very likely to remain long after the lock-downs
aka economic repression is over. No buying power from millions means
lower consumer confidence, lower profits, greater recession.

We were on the verge of a nasty recession before March 15. What comes
next is NASTY. 

Oh and China is much worse when it comes to using propaganda to stir
shit here in the United States. They have influence that Russia could
only dream of. Owning Hollywood is the biggest weapon. Giving grants to
local governments and higher ed is just the cherry on the cake.

Stay relevant and pay your debts.


#12 of 163 by tod on Sat May 30 16:30:35 2020:

 Oh and China is much worse when it comes to using propaganda to stir
 shit here in the United States. They have influence that Russia could
 only dream of. 

Speaking of...
Violet Ikonomova writes for...
...Detroit Metro Times after working for AP in DC
...she covers strife like a pro
https://twitter.com/violetikon/status/1266571068837449728
and here she is with her favorite book
"Marx for Beginners"
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101183997920601&set=pb.13005535.
-220
7520000..&type=3&theater

I can find you several dozens of these "journalists" who happen to be
Johnny on the Spot when it comes to "peaceful protests" and 
"tear gas"
It's great timing during a pandemic.
For China & Russia


#13 of 163 by tod on Sat May 30 20:57:14 2020:

Then the official spokesperson from China comes along with droves of
Chinese military YouTubers to stoke the flames
https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1266741986096107520


#14 of 163 by walkman on Sun May 31 12:18:16 2020:

"It's great timing during a pandemic.
For China & Russia"

YES. The not-riots have much more to do with lockdown frustration and
simple opportunity to get violent and loot than any one case of police
brutality. China and Russia exploited the media-generated crisis almost
immediately. But Trump is petty and narcissistic. He will give them the
war of words they desire, and the DNC will blame Trump for the police
brutality. He gets the blame for the Covid 19 job losses too. Ever
notice the biggest death tolls, strictest lockdowns and highest
unemployment numbers are in blue states? Yet, Trump gets the blame. Ha
ha ha. I remember hating W Bush but being repulsed by the media blaming
him for a levee breaking in Louisiana. They also say Trump poisoned
Flint with bad water despite the fact that the city of Flint itself did
it before he was president. But people are dumb and easily manipulated.
POTUS has godlike powers apparently. They can kill us with hurricanes
and viruses. It reminds of this scene from The Ten Commandments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJcd1NFw5JY

#13
Yep and ever notice that conservatives are black-listed, shadow banned,
and "fact-checked" while red propaganda thrives in plain sight? Social
media is the most repulsive and effective spying/propaganda tool ever
devised. Who's behind the manipulation? Who benefits? 

IMO once the stock market stops rewarding social media, much of this
power will decline. I don't know what it will take for that to happen
though...but i can guess. The media endless pumps for
Facebook/Twitter/Alphabet investment. Joe Consumer and Joe Investment
Fund may start selling if there are mass lawsuits against
Facebook/Twitter/Youtube thanks to Trump's executive order. I find
myself almost always agreeing with Trump despite being repulsed (and
often entertained) by his crass pettiness. Chalk this one up to another
example. He ignored his base being mistreated by social media but
immediately did a smack-down once they started messing with is tweets.
Oh the humanity.


#15 of 163 by walkman on Sun May 31 12:25:58 2020:

PS that Ten Commandments clip - there never has been a greater 5 minutes
of movie EVER Masterful. The dialog and drama is so perfect! The scene
where Moses tells Ramses that only God can free his people and as he
walks away we see Nefretiri coming into frame with the dead son. I am in
awe.


#16 of 163 by walkman on Sun May 31 12:29:24 2020:

My second favorite clip is only 2 minutes long and it's so good i could
cry.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH-r4HXHcCk

Who brought marshmallows?


#17 of 163 by tod on Sun May 31 16:27:15 2020:

re #15
Heston with Robinson movies are priceless


#18 of 163 by walkman on Sun May 31 18:28:38 2020:

The more I think about it, the riots occurred immediately after people 
started asking questions about democrat governors ordering covid
patients  into nursing homes; purposely introducing a respiratory virus
into  communities of the most vulnerable. This of course resulted in 50%
of the  covid deaths. That s 50,000 people murdered to bring the numbers
up.

But now, oh what s this? Riots everywhere.
Covid what? Shifting the narrative to one that focuses on victims.
Another  fabricated crisis to keep us posting on FB and twatter.

In Michigan, more than half of businesses are still closed. The economy
and  jobs are not essential.


#19 of 163 by tod on Mon Jun 1 00:55:21 2020:

Riots: Do as I say not as I do

There's a double standard everywhere
And the car trunk can only hold so much outrage


#20 of 163 by walkman on Mon Jun 1 15:44:39 2020:

Shouldn't Sarah Silverman be able to afford a cheesecake without 
looting one?
https://tinyurl.com/y94zl5hm

#lootingisjustice

PS There is now evidence that pallets full of bricks have been dropped 
off at shopping centers around the country. *someone* is funding the 
riots...bombshell!!!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/06/01/piles-of-bricks-
n2569804


#21 of 163 by walkman on Tue Jun 2 12:16:18 2020:

To keep a state of fear and crisis, the globalists must spin the wheel 
of repression to find out the next fabricated crisis once the riots die 
down. Let's give it  a spin Pat and see where it lands. Nuclear threat 
(Iran or North Korea), terrorism, environmental disaster, trade war, 
humanitarian crisis, refugees, threat of war, women's rights, 
overpopulation, deforestation

...click
...click
...click 
where will it land?


#22 of 163 by walkman on Tue Jun 2 12:19:54 2020:

Oh, it looks like the threat of economic collapse and a renewed energy 
crisis! Look at the stock market dive! I hope Hollywood stars and CNN 
gives the next one a nice spit shine. What hashtag will trend? 
What's this? A statement from Oprah? WE'RE SAVED!!!


#23 of 163 by tod on Tue Jun 2 18:58:39 2020:

re #20
Don't worry, those are just boxes of Federal ammo rubber bullet rounds.

re #21
My bet is the wheel lands on war & draft.  Surely there is something
to be had...some spoils...to teach some folks a lesson

re #22
What the world needs right now is a good ol celeb Instagram sing-along
Maybe Biden can warm up those pipes just in time for November


#24 of 163 by walkman on Thu Jun 4 11:27:49 2020:

#23 Actually the joke is on all of us. #21 was a reference to the 
normal modus operandi. 

Out of nowhere (seemingly; and this is how effective all this is) it 
appears that we are in the midst of an American version of Arab 
Spring. The spoils are America's collapse. It remains to be see who 
wins but I suspect it has something to do with globalism and China. 
I haven't heard anyone make this connection but I think people will 
catch on. Believe it or now, people are already using 
#americanspring on twitter. Many of the useful idiots are clueless 
but some are smart enough to know what they are a part of. 

Here's a life map of America's fall:
https://usa.liveuamap.com/


#25 of 163 by tod on Thu Jun 4 21:53:55 2020:

#AmericanSpring

Isn't that when Amish and Moravian chicks go to a frat party?


#26 of 163 by papa on Thu Jun 4 23:22:53 2020:

resp:24
It is depressing how idiotic the useful idiots are. If they are
representative, America deserves to collapse.


#27 of 163 by tod on Sun Jun 7 05:35:52 2020:

If Lord of the Flies was a remake using American politics, this is it.
I'm imagining hotdog and t-shirt stands in DC are booming about now.
There is still time for something zany to derail it all  and you bet
it's coming - after all - we need 13 episodes to make a season.


#28 of 163 by walkman on Sun Jun 7 21:39:25 2020:

#27 I openly joked that Covid-20, Covid-21 etc were already ready for
launch. The media has been pounding the gavel, insisting that this fall
they will reset the Covid clock. 

Because that is the predictable thing; the one they announced
themselves, I suspect it will be something else. But then again, every 4
years during election time we get race riots and we do have November
coming up. 

It's kind of obvious some kind of elevating event that derails trump is
going to be in their playbook. Everything they tried so far failed. What
will it be this time? The pussy hat march failed - women were not
missing out on any rights and no one was threatening the existing ones.
Calling trump "literal hitler" and his followers Russian bots failed.
The Russia hoax was weak sauce. It failed. Then the Quid Pro Joe
impeachment failed. Covid-19 - governors shutting America down,
destroying jobs and the economy likely failed in their game to then
associate trump to the misery. At least his base isn't swayed by it.
They know who locked down what. I'm sure there's more to the drama. They
will likely continue to blame him for it.

 
Right now we have mass media associating WWII vets from Normandy with
Antifa. How low can they go? Arsonists, looters and violent thugs in
skinny jeans who beat up old ladies = WWII vets? F-U-C-K...

Logically, what's next? Typically we have abortion debate, race divide,
finger pointing, the old "what did he say/wear/do in the past" trick,
and... the false flag.

I am expecting all of the old tricks but the false flag is the whammy. 
They are likely to cook up something reprehensible to broad-brush all
Trump supporters. A truck bomb on a bridge with protesters? Oh, that
failed. What's next? Something with a bomb or a mass shooting. We'll
have to wait to see when the antifa riots die down. 


#29 of 163 by tod on Mon Jun 8 16:13:41 2020:

The narrative for now is America will be guided by BLM.  Sort of the
Vagina Hat for 2020.  Biden will have to up his game with the DNC
and start shopping at American Eagle and driving a hoopty so voters
don't recognize his "no different than the rest of Congress"


#30 of 163 by walkman on Mon Jun 8 18:15:29 2020:

(referring to #28)
and right on cue, the truck guy from the bridge is a "KKK leader" 

https://www.richmond.com/news/local/crime/henrico-prosecutor-hanover-man-
who-drove-into-protest-is-admitted-kkk-leader/article_54776922-5870-5657-
8900-eb2969ae9140.html

100% this theme will be long in the tooth.

During the Cultural Revolution in China, humiliation was a key theme.
People with wrongthink and wrongcareer were paraded through the streets
with shameful signs.

Now we have leaders AROUND THE WORLD kneeling before BLM.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=kneeling+before+blm&atb=v210-1&ia=web

They are trying to usher in a new mindset: capitulate and be destroyed,
capitulate or we destroy you. The mayor of Minneapolis can't grovel
enough. Cops laying on the ground before the mobs. Cops kneeling. The
DNC from Congress kneeling.
https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/9yFlcjbGasekr6avYMmh1g--~B/aD01MTI7dz03
Njg7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.co
m/3048a63f24ee033fa2d375aa938632d47ddaff1a.jpg

There's a lot of kneeling.
Capitulate. Apologize for being white. Apologize for your privilege.
George Floyd, the same drug addict who put a gun to a pregnant woman's
belly during a home invasion/robbery is a saint, equivalent to great
leaders like MLK. Don't forget it.  People who disagree are already
being de-platformed. Gone from twitter. Gone from gofundme. Future
announcements pending.
https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/05/02/829766/

From Covid to Floyd, the 2020 story. This is still unfolding. They want
to defund the police so they can give back funding with provisions.

The police were great when they were arresting people for not following
Covid-19 guidelines.  The police are bad when they enforce law and
order. The police must be remade to capitulate endlessly and stand by
lawlessness.

Millionaires in mansions with private security are telling the mobs that
the police are not needed in their neighborhoods. Carry a torch. Obey.
You can't get Covid 19 while rioting. You can   get Covid 19 while
protesting economic lockdowns. You can   get Covid 19 in church. You
can't get Covid 19 at an abortion clinic.

It's almost like there's some kind of historical precedent or playbook
that is being followed.

Imagine what kind of retribution lies ahead when they steal the
election. What happened after the public humiliations during the Chinese
Cultural Revolution? Did anyone die? (rhetorical). 

They start by promising a guaranteed income.
They end by taking your possessions and forcing you to work in fields.

They are holding our economy and jobs hostage as they burn cities and
loot businesses while making demands. #AmericanSpring And who popped out
of the woodwork to tell us how much America sucks? The Obamas. 




#31 of 163 by tod on Mon Jun 8 20:04:16 2020:

 And who popped out
 of the woodwork to tell us how much America sucks? The Obamas.

Mom Pants will set things straight.  2021 ObamaCare v2.0  (with 401k Inside)


#32 of 163 by walkman on Tue Jun 9 12:22:29 2020:

I find it interesting that there was a protest map configured in real
time, just like the covid map.

https://usa.liveuamap.com/

Note that they are calling the events "protests" yet the map shows
symbols like 'fire' and 'gun'. Arson and gunfire are protest when the
narrative suits the mainstream objective (destabilizing America).



#33 of 163 by tod on Tue Jun 9 13:42:46 2020:

re #32
The new narrative: Cops = Racism

It reminds me of Clinton v Bush '92.  People were hating on cops then too.
Cops are an easy scapegoat if you have a few bad ones catching headlines.
Back then it was Malice Green (Detroit) and Rodney King (Los Angeles.)

Meanwhile, the WHO is trying to get people back to work at the cost
of death.  They're waffling on how the virus spreads even though 
everyone knows come late August the death toll is going to start wiping
people out again.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-sp
read
ing-new-infections-who-says.html


#34 of 163 by walkman on Thu Jun 11 02:24:49 2020:

BLM donations funneled into DNC campaigns?
https://medium.com/@dtod95/the-black-lives-matter-organization-is-a-money
-laundering-scheme-d11abba4547e


#35 of 163 by tod on Thu Jun 11 02:52:12 2020:

"It just doesn't matter.  It just doesn't matter." -Hamburger Hill


#36 of 163 by walkman on Thu Jun 11 11:16:23 2020:

BBC calls antifa "anti-racism protesters". 
Cute.
They tore down a confederate statue in Virginia and it landed on 
someone's head. They are critically injured. Won't hear that on ABC.

Isn't it interesting that they claim to "fight nazis" and yet they 
are up to banning movies, books, language and revising history. 
Their flags are fashioned after nazi symbols.
It's really easy to predict a book burning. Knowing that the media 
and entertainers are rooting for them, I wonder what the end game 
is. Some things are obvious but it's hard to see the 
concentration/re-education camps through the smoke.

I decided to give the BBC a listen to see what they were saying.
I know that the BLM protests/riots have been financed and are 
propagating in Europe.
Why not burn down Europe for justice for George too?
Well, what I did hear was non-stop race divide. 
Per usual, the fix is in. 
Funny - when the Covid thing started, I was getting all of these 
emails from banks and companies I do business with "We are with you" 
etc. 
Now I'm getting BLM messages from the same entities. These companies 
have been sharpening their marketing game and now it's very 
clinical. Appeasement won't save the rallying cries to burn them 
down and spread their wealth. 

To find out that people setup the BLM fund and the money goes right 
to democrat campaigns - the audacity is almost mind-bending.

I see the coordinated Covid fear-mongering/economic shutdown and the 
coordinated arson/violence/looting as controlled and promoted by the 
same entities. In the end the same things were targeted and people 
made to feel as if they were doing something wrong. Just like global 
warming, you are very, very bad for existing. Now apologize, kneel 
and kiss the boot and they might spare you. Actually the second they 
see weakness they go for your throat.


#37 of 163 by walkman on Thu Jun 11 12:05:53 2020:

Was listening to Bloomberg radio on Sirius XM this morning.
They were interviewing a government official who was talking about 
the "2nd wave" in the fall as if it was unavoidable/inevitable. His 
message was that the federal government must created a unified 
policy that was able to enforce a national lock down so all 
businesses were shut down and all people forced to stay at home in 
every state. We can't have independent states endangering our 
health! Since there can never really be a vaccine, we must stay in 
our houses until a vaccine arrives. Deja vu. 

This fall. 

Election time.

I think we can see where this is going. It's easier to destroy 
America with a full economic shutdown than daily riots. And with 
cities vowing to defund police, imagine the pent-up aggression and 
anger. 

After the election, the virus will likely disappear. 
Happy days are here again.


#38 of 163 by tod on Thu Jun 11 18:13:52 2020:

Bring back Obama to apologize for Americans and their lack of global
obedience


#39 of 163 by walkman on Fri Jun 12 12:57:47 2020:

I'm wearing my kwanza outfit and i'm kneeling.
What more can i do???

What does George Floyd have to do with banning books, movies and 
online speech?

"We didn t expect to find organizers radicalizing middle school and 
high school children teaching them military tactics and preparation 
for high risk actions. Some of these tactics include escalation 
provocation techniques, blocking freeway traffic, and how to get 
arrested bogging-down law enforcement in the name of destroying 
capitalism to make way for the Green New Deal."
https://www.millennialmillie.com/post/undercover-investigation-
minneapolis-riot-was-preplanned

When is the book burning? I just want to get along.
They aren't coming for our children. They already have them.
If you resist you are a white nationalist, just like they said to 
the kids.


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