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jep
response 83 of 90: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 16:19 UTC 1999

The decision to restrict out of state people from being Arbornet members 
was due to an effort to make Arbornet serve the residents of Michigan, 
and be identified with them.  It was not a good idea, as has been noted, 
but few things going on for M-Net/Arbornet at the time were good ideas.

It came about because we were being told constantly we were not 
fulfilling our 501(c)(3) charter, and were being panicked into thinking 
we would become personally financially liable for -- something -- if we 
didn't do better.  It started with Aaron Larson and Dan Napolitano, but 
other people picked up the idea, too.  It was an enormously depressing 
time to be a Board member.  I never did really understand all that went 
on from the users at that time.  I don't understand it now.  The Board 
was willing to accept about anything that resembled direction and 
leadership.

The merger between Arbornet and M-Net was Iain O'Cain's suggestion, as 
the sole regular user of both systems.  Arbornet had a stash of cash 
(about $2000) and a working Altos computer.  They had no users; the 
user base was 4 people.  M-Net had no cash at all, the Board used to 
celebrate patronships received at Board meetings.  And M-Net's Altos was 
dying.  But we had all those users.  There wasn't much opposition from 
either side about merging.

The merger paid off for M-Net, as it got us in NEW Center.  This 
provided cheap rent and a stable residence, meeting space, access to 
other non-profits, office equipment such as a copier... it was a great 
thing.  Shortly thereafter we got the K-12 grant from the AA Area 
Community Foundation.  This was not a financial gain; every penny was 
spent on PCs to distribute to schools; but it gave Arbornet the standing 
of having received a grant.  

The K-12 project was an effort to get an Internet connection through 
Merit; we'd provide all of these services to K-12 teachers, including 
free computers, and M-Net would get to piggyback on the Internet 
connection.  Actually it wasn't really an Internet connection we were 
looking for; none of the Board members knew what the Internet was.  It 
was dial-in access through Merit, providing access from all over the 
state.  We had a 9600 baud connection allowing 3 dial-ins, but had 
visions of M-Net being a state-wide conferencing system.  The Merit part 
fell through as they weren't going to fund it; it would have cost 
Arbornet thousands of dollars per month to pay for what we had 
envisioned.

Time passed, we got an Internet connection from MSEN, K-12 died for lack 
of any interest whatsoever from anyone.  Dan Napolitano and Aaron Larson 
had been looking into compliance issues for 501(c)(3)'s over a few 
months.  I had paid little attention.  There was a Board election; Dan 
had expected to be elected president, but the incoming Board members had 
other ideas and elected someone else (Greg Russo).  Dan interpreted the 
election for president as being fixed, and led the exodus from the 
Board, which took away 5 Board members, out of 7.  That's when the 
501(c)(3) compliance issues came into the public's attention, because 
Dan and Aaron pushed it very hard.  Arbornet didn't recover from the 
aftermath of this mess until this year (if indeed it has done so even 
now).

During the following summer, Arbornet built it's funds to $12,000 in the 
bank by selling "Internet access accounts", along with the really good 
M-Net manual.  But at the same time, the Board was being harangued by 
Dan and Aaron, and support from the traditional users was falling as a 
result.

The HVCN/Arbornet/Grex effort to collaborate on a large grant project 
came during the following year, I think.  Probably few remember it, but 
clearly Marcus still views it as a sore spot.  HVCN, Arbornet and Grex 
worked together on a grant proposal which would have provided a lot of 
community information via computers.  It was envisioned as a $600,000 
grant.  Arbornet was the only 501(c)(3) organization at the start of 
this project, though HVCN got certified while working on it.  HVCN had a 
lot of community leaders and non-profit knowledgeable people, such as 
Arnold Barr and Linda Vengroff.  Grex brought the others together, and 
had a terrific base of technically knowledgeable people.

Arbornet never had a clear purpose for being part of this project, 
though.  I mean the Board never agreed on why they wanted to be in it.  
What purpose Arbornet had didn't jibe with what the HVCN people had in 
mind (kiosks in malls and shopping centers).  Arbornet pulled out at the 
last minute, causing enormous difficulties for the project, and hard 
feelings.  Arbornet also said it intended to submit it's own proposal, 
causing even more hard feelings.  It never really did so; having no 
vision for a grant proposal, it shouldn't have said it would.

Arbornet Boards have often been called secretive and conspiring and 
things like that.  Did it really seem that way to you, Jan?  In truth 
they were muddled and confused and clueless and directionless.  On the 
Boards I was on, we wanted M-Net to keep working, and to do what we 
thought we could and should in other areas.  Occasionally someone would 
come along with some idea of what we ought to and could do -- Jim Knight 
in particular.  The rest of us were trying to help with the work, and 
make the best decisions we could, and kind of going along for the ride. 
Occasionally someone got elected to the Board who really just wanted to 
be popular with M-Netters.  I never knew of anyone who wanted to 
participate in a conspiracy of any kind, or do any harm.  Darned few had 
any kind of agenda of any kind.
richard
response 84 of 90: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 16:23 UTC 1999

The k-12 program grant mnet got sounds like it was a colossal waste of
taxpayer money-- the board probably misrepresented in its application
the level of support for and committment to this program among mnet
members.  Why did arbornet ever have to be anything *more* than mnet
anyway?
jep
response 85 of 90: Mark Unseen   Dec 31 16:40 UTC 1999

I never saw the application form for the K-12 project, so I don't know 
what it said, Richard.  I can say this, though: the $7500 grant was from 
the Ann Arbor Area Community Foundation, a non-government non-profit 
which receives it's funding from private donations and public grants.  
It's budget is a lot larger than $7500, but I don't know how big 
exactly.  (It makes a couple of hundred thousand dollars of grants per 
year.)  The Board didn't know what the interest level was from the 
users, or what participation level would be needed from them.

Arbornet's charter, as filed with the IRS in 1985, called for it being a 
source of community information as well as discussion.  The Arbornet 
that was created 14 years ago was supposed to be a lot different than 
the Arbornet which actually existed in 1993.

M-Net merged with Arbornet because it was severely short of money and in 
immediate danger of dying, and because those of us trying to keep it 
going expected wonderful things to come from being part of a 501(c)(3). 
We were naive without question.  Everyone is naive about a thing when 
they do it for the first time.
mdw
response 86 of 90: Mark Unseen   Jan 1 01:35 UTC 2000

Actually, I haven't said *anything* to anyone about the HVCN grant
project in many months, if not years, and it's not a huge glaring sore
point with me.  Sorry, John, but you've pinned the tail on the wrong
donkey with that one.  The only extent to which I care about that is
that it's one of a number of past incidents where m-net was, um, less
than friendly to grex.  It's unfortunate, but it's no big deal; it just
means grex & mnet are separate, independent, different, and that's not
necessarily a bad thing.

So far as the K12 project, I know it wasn't true there was "no
interest"; I attended one arbornet board meeting where there clearly was
someone who was seriously interested in doing something with the K12
project, and the board just as definitely interested in discouraging
this person.  A good part of the discouragement process seemed to
involve a rather amazing amount of bureaucracy, whether that was the
cause or a consequence of the process I can't say.  This arbornet
meeting was also interesting as it was at the tail end of a long period
of financial secrecy.  It may have been the result of muddled confusion,
but if so, I would have to say it was the result of deliberate willful
muddled confusion, because there was certainly no lack of interest or
concern among the members.  It's all water under the bridge today, but I
think m-net is still hurting pretty badly from the consequences of this,
and they are going to have to work hard over there to recover from the
effects.

I do wish m-net the best of luck in getting back on their feet and
gaining some stability.
janc
response 87 of 90: Mark Unseen   Jan 1 20:58 UTC 2000

It was me, not Marcus, that mentioned the grant proposal.  At the time I
was involved only with M-Net, not Grex, but I was seriously pissed at
the Arbornet board of that.  I don't remember if Arbornet actually did
submit their own grant proposal, they did secretly submit their own
separate letter of intent (which had to be sent long before the proposal
could).  They then participated in joint planning meetings, and then
announced that they weren't going to continue in the joint proposal, but
where submitting their own separate competing proposal.  I had no
personal involvement with the other systems, but felt it was disgraceful
for "my" system to behave that way.

I also never believed there was a conspiracy of board members.  I
believed that the level of poison and acrimony directed at the board
members was so great that they didn't dare make themselves larger
targets by saying anything.  There were periods of years where most
board members never said anything subtantive in the conferences (jep
was, as I recall, the single exception).  Not that saying anything would
have accomplished much except having people beat on them personally
instead of on the board in general.  The atmosphere there was really
bad.  The board failed to save a bad situation, but I don't really blame
the board very much - I'm not sure I could have done much better (though
if I hadn't been in Texas at the time, I might have tried).
krj
response 88 of 90: Mark Unseen   Jan 1 23:15 UTC 2000

Hmm, this has become an m-net item.  jep's resp:83 tracks my memories 
pretty closely -- I was only a spectator though -- except that I thought
keats resigned because the board would not follow his leadership on 
the 501(c)3 issue.
jep
response 89 of 90: Mark Unseen   Jan 3 15:56 UTC 2000

Apologies to Marcus.  I read back, and he's right.

Arbornet didn't plan in advance to submit it's own grant application as 
far as I know.  We heard of the grant because Valerie Mates invited the 
Arbornet Board members to get together with the HVCN folks, and I became 
Arbornet's representative.  We all discussed things for several months, 
over a number of meetings.

I made it pretty clear what I thought Arbornet would be willing to 
participate in.  I missed the final grant application meeting, during 
which the final decision on what to apply for was made (I was in Paris 
at the time), and the decision was to focus on things I had said many 
times Arbornet wouldn't support.  (Kiosks, specifically.)

Arbornet had a Board meeting the following weekend, and at that Board 
meeting, the various views of the Board members came out.  Everyone was 
opposed, but everyone was opposed for a different reason.  It was 
awfully chaotic.  It was also a big surprise to me.  I think even if the 
joint grant project had been something I would have supported, the rest 
of the Board wouldn't have wanted to participate.

I'd been posting about the discussions in the policy conference through 
the entire process, but there was no participation from *anyone* else.  
Not the Board, not any other users... the item looked like a log file 
from me, more or less.  So I didn't have a clue as to what anyone 
thought.

Anyway, I made the Arbornet Board's motion to withdraw from the grant 
project.  You can be mad at me for that, Jan, but as I said, the focus 
of the grant was made to be something I didn't think Arbornet should be 
doing, and I'd made that clear to the rest of the participants in the 
grant project.  The motion passed unanimously as I recall it, because of 
a lot of different reasons -- everyone had their own.  No one ever 
discussed their reasons with me, before or after.  I also told the grant 
project that Arbornet was withdrawing, at a meeting.  I'm sure some of 
those people are still mad at me about it, but I think withdrawing was 
justified by the circumstances.

The Board did say it was going to do it's own grant proposal, and that 
was stupid, because it was far too late in the proposal process.  It may 
have been unethical as well.  I guess I won't argue that if anyone says 
it was.
mdw
response 90 of 90: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 08:28 UTC 2000

It made arbornet look extremely bad from the outside, because from the
perspective of anyone who didn't know what the arbornet board was
thinking, it looked exactly as if arbornet had intended all along to
submit its own grant proposal, and had only participated in the joint
proposal for the purpose of sabotaging it and gaining competitive
information.  Since the only people who had any idea what the arbornet
board was thinking was the board itself, that meant the entire rest of
the world.  Anyone who didn't know the board wasn't in a position to
present its own grant proposal would necessarily have concluded that the
arbornet board did in fact have such a proposal, and had either cribbed
it from the joint work done, or had been preparing it in advance
secretly - both certainly very unethical.  Even knowing what the board
was thinking doesn't really make the situation look that much better.

In any event, it's still all water under the bridge.  It's not likely
such a proposal will arise again.  It doesn't appear that arbornet has
any resources to lend to such an effort, and resolving the trust issue
will presumably be a moot point by the time arbornet does have any spare
resources.
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