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jp2
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response 80 of 170:
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Jan 8 21:22 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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other
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response 81 of 170:
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Jan 8 21:24 UTC 2004 |
They'll love that at the post office. Unless those things come in really
small packages. I only have a little PO Box.
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other
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response 82 of 170:
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Jan 8 21:26 UTC 2004 |
(The funniest parts were the reactions of the people who sat closest to the
performance area, later in the skit when it became screamingly apparent that
the fish being employed were not made of something with durable structural
integrity like rubber, but were actually real.)
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mynxcat
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response 83 of 170:
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Jan 8 21:37 UTC 2004 |
Re 74> I think I know where this is coming from. I can be insensitive,
and I can be a jerk, true. And that sentence didn't come out right.
Yes, I'd still parody someone. I'd be careful to choose my subjects
though. Slynne's game, Twila isn't. Valerie's off limits. Iggy's ok to
parody. Then there are some people who I don't care if they care to be
parodied or not. They haven't tried to be nice to people. They're self-
righteous and pompous, and rude. Some of them are self-centered and
vain. Are they going to be hurt when they read the stuff? Have they
considered other people's feelings?
I'd be interested in seeing which posts you thought were particularly
annoying, and why. Feel free to post them on grex.
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gelinas
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response 84 of 170:
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Jan 8 21:40 UTC 2004 |
Will do. Thanks. :)
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willcome
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response 85 of 170:
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Jan 8 21:58 UTC 2004 |
Gelinas, you're a weirdo.
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flem
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response 86 of 170:
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Jan 8 22:05 UTC 2004 |
> Jan has said that [something] leads to a decay in the ability to form
> a cohesive community.
Here's what I think leads to inability to form a cohesive community:
knowing that your contribution to the community may be erased at any
time on the whim of some other person with an axe to grind.
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jep
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response 87 of 170:
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Jan 8 22:40 UTC 2004 |
I'm surprised to see anyone singling out mynxcat as annoying or as a
problem on Grex.
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cross
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response 88 of 170:
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Jan 8 22:50 UTC 2004 |
Regarding #77; True, but freedom demands we tolerate some incivility to
preserve liberty.
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scott
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response 89 of 170:
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Jan 8 22:57 UTC 2004 |
I've never had a problem with mynxcat on Grex, aside from disagreeing on
whether Grex is a clique or not.
But it was rather a shock to see that she'd basically taken stuff from Grex
over to M-Net, for the purpose of a very long-term and rather mean parody.
And that apparently she felt no need to inform the principal subject of that
parody that it was going on all this time. Which tends to disprove the
claim that it was all a friendly joke, since what would be the point if
the subject (who presumably should find it funny) doesn't find out at all?
I suppose it's possible that everybody expected Valerie to somehow know
about the parody. Still, it's been pretty common for a long time that
M-Netters seem more fascinated with Grex than Grexers with M-Net, hence
no M-Net parody conference (or even items I can recall).
Yes, I'll agree that the baby diaries told a lot of extremely personal detail.
So when somebody gives you too much personal info, is the accepted polite
response to go make fun that person behind their back?
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naftee
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response 90 of 170:
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Jan 8 23:00 UTC 2004 |
re 87 Yeah, it'd be like someone disagreeing with GreX policy. Shocking.
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cross
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response 91 of 170:
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Jan 8 23:10 UTC 2004 |
Regarding #89; Actually, there *is* an M-Net parody conference on grex,
called ``mnut''. One of the more prolific posters there was Jan, but
it has since fallen into obscurity and only rarely used.
I must say, as a reader of the mnet agora conference (and only a rare
poster there), I always just assumed Valerie knew about the parody and
ignored it for the juvenille rambling it was. Actually, it wasn't one
of the better parodies there; I usually found it boring. There was
exactly one time I read something funny; a quote of something someone
(not Valerie) wrote about poo terminology.
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krj
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response 92 of 170:
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Jan 8 23:12 UTC 2004 |
There aren't too many abuse targets left on M-net.
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naftee
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response 93 of 170:
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Jan 8 23:14 UTC 2004 |
How would you know? You're never there.
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cross
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response 94 of 170:
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Jan 8 23:16 UTC 2004 |
Regarding #92; Bite your tongue. One word: Twinkie.
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jep
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response 95 of 170:
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Jan 9 00:31 UTC 2004 |
Sigh. All right, I read the parody item. As far as I can tell,
mynxcat never entered anything into it, other than expressing her
amusement.
I have to admit, I found parts of it really, really funny. I read
Valerie's item for the last couple of years, during the time that
parody was being made, and clearly recognized almost all of the
references.
I didn't find very much of it to be really mean-spirited. It was not
kind or sensitive toward Valerie's feelings, but I think that's a
different thing. I didn't perceive any intent to hurt Valerie, or to
hurt anyone.
Here's a typical example:
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#101 of 369 by mallory vates [popcorn] (cyklone) on Sat Feb 22 22:56:32
2003:
Arlo is really making me angry. He's developed this bad habit of
swinging from the ceiling fan when I am trying to work out to my "Feng
Shui Aerobics for Recent Mothers" video. I am open to any suggestions
how to stop this. I've thought about just dragging him down by his
legs, but he might accidently kick me and I don't want him growing up
to know he hurt his mother. I also thought about putting a mattress on
the floor beneath him and then turning the fan to its highest spin
setting in hopes he'll get tired and just let go. I could also have Jan
remove the fan but I love the way it blows Kendra's hair when I am
breastfeeding her.
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I find that funny. I don't think there was any intent to hurt anyone.
Obviously Valerie never described Arlo hanging from the ceiling fan.
Obviously no one is saying she would allow such a thing, or react
indecisively if it happened. The author extrapolated from something
Valerie said, and made it into a very funny comment.
The item Valerie entered was not intended as humor, but dozens to
hundreds of people read it. It's hardly surprising that some of the
things she said in all seriousness were perceived humorously by other
readers. I'm not going to cite examples, but at times, I was amused by
things Valerie said, in ways she would find entirely inappropriate.
While I was married, I had similar reactions to things said by my
wife. I had to learn to repress them then, and I applied the same
skill to Valerie's item.
Had I known of the item on M-Net's agora, I might well have
participated. I wouldn't have had any bad intent toward Valerie. I
had, and still have, a lot of respect and admiration for Valerie. Some
of my potential comments could have been perceived as mean, but
certainly, I wouldn't have intended them that way. I guess I lucked
out that I never participated. Dangit, sometimes the things other
people do are funny, and sometimes one can perceive humor about another
person, without meaning any harm or having any bad intent. Even if the
other person wouldn't like it.
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mynxcat
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response 96 of 170:
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Jan 9 02:16 UTC 2004 |
Scott, why do you think I should go ahead and inform Valerie about the item?
I've never interacted with her before a few months ago when I joined the baby
diary, and my comments have been few. People who were responding in the item
were people who had been on grex for years. People who posted were people who
interacted actively in the baby diary and on grex. People that you deemed
good enough to be on your board. People who were definitely closer to Valerie
than I was. When you see people like these post there, it's not difficult to
see why one would think that the conferene was well-known. As jep pointed out,
I assumed she knew about it and ignored it. And even if I'd thought she didn't
know about it, I, a stranger, was hardly going to drop the bomb on her. If she
had to find out so late in the game, I guess the right person told her. (It's
hard to imagine how an item could run for 2.5 years, and the "victim" would
have no clue that something like that existed, especially given that the ttwo
systems have so many common users).)
Jep, I did post in that item. My responses were posted after Valerie froze
her items here on grex. I found her behaviour childish, that she couldn't get
past discussion that disagreed with her views, and she felt the need to deny
people to have an open discussion. I will admit that I lost some respect for
her at that point, and that's when I posted. (These were prolly the most
malicious posts I've made. If I made others in that particular item, it was
basically because I found something amusing, and those were not meant to hurt.
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I've also parodied the item from 2002 (summer or fall agora, I don't remember),
where we were discussing the need for a non-local board member. That was
largely a parody on the whole situation and was not meant to target specific
individuals.
I've also parodied the
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naftee
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response 97 of 170:
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Jan 9 02:19 UTC 2004 |
It seems janc is making backtalk ruin mynxcat's responses because he found
her parodying his wife!!
#39.182 Mallory Yeats (mynxcat)
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jaklumen
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response 98 of 170:
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Jan 9 02:34 UTC 2004 |
parodied the... yes?
If you go Sapna, I will miss you.
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mynxcat
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response 99 of 170:
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Jan 9 02:56 UTC 2004 |
That's what happens when I try to edit my post using vi. The last line should
be deleted.
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naftee
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response 100 of 170:
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Jan 9 05:15 UTC 2004 |
But you did parody valerie, didn't you.
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keesan
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response 101 of 170:
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Jan 9 05:24 UTC 2004 |
Doesn't google or some other search engine save archived copies of anything
it ever found on the web, in which case items deleted from grex would still
be available if you knew how to access the archives?
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janc
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response 102 of 170:
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Jan 9 05:34 UTC 2004 |
For the record, what Dan Cross says I said on M-Net is not anything I
recall saying there, or believe to be true.
Grex has a robots.txt file that requests that polite robots not index
the conferences. Google is a polite robot. However, all the deleted
items are on Grex's backup tapes.
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keesan
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response 103 of 170:
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Jan 9 15:20 UTC 2004 |
There must be some impolite robots around because once in a while when I do
a search I get a grex item as a hit.
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mynxcat
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response 104 of 170:
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Jan 9 15:30 UTC 2004 |
Re 100> As I said in resp 98 (or thereabouts), yes, I did. Geez you
should go to lawschool or something.
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