response 8 of 219:

Dec 23 02:57 UTC 2004

I will renew all my library books and music through Jan 10 since I won't be
getting reminders.  This seems like an excellent time to go through the 200
or so emails I have saved (or at least download the inbox and delete it from
grex).  Is there anyone reading this who does not know how to move their mail
to their own computer?  I will also notify anyone likely to send me mail that
they should use a different address.
Jan and Joe - a big hug!!!!  Jim asks 'can we bring them food while they are
working?'

response 10 of 219:

Dec 23 04:14 UTC 2004

Good idea.

response 12 of 219:

Dec 23 16:41 UTC 2004

Thanks, staff!

response 14 of 219:

Dec 23 17:30 UTC 2004

        Okay, how do I download my mbox (held mail)?  To my 
Windows ME machine.  Available tools are Hypertext telenet,
ICE.TP telenet, Windows IE for ftp?

response 16 of 219:

Dec 23 18:49 UTC 2004

 re #14:

  Mail that you haven't yet read or that you have preserved in your
  incoming mail is stored in the spool directory.  Grex has so many
  users its mail spools are organized hierarchically, so the exact
  location will depend on your login id, but an easy way for most people
  to find out is to start up a shell and do "echo $MAIL"

  Mine, for example, is:

          grex% echo $MAIL
          /var/spool/mail/m/c/mcnally

  Yours should be /var/spool/mail/t/p/tpryan.  
  And if your name was xyZZZZ it would be in /var/spool/mail/x/y/xyZZZZ

  Mail that you have already read can be stored in a variety of places.
  The traditional Unix mail program stores it in ~/mbox   Pine and several
  other mail programs store mail in mbox-like files in ~/mail
  If you use some other mail program it could be stored some place else..

  Find where your mail program stores mail and back up both your incoming
  unread mail and your saved messages by using ftp from another machine
  to connect to Grex and retrieve the files.

response 18 of 219:

Dec 23 21:08 UTC 2004

I don't know anything about pine.

The best way to copy files off Grex for internet users is either 'ftp' or
'telnet'.  Either way, you'll need a client program on your computer.  I'm
afraid that I know nothing about Windows FTP clients.  Generally, you will
be running the program on your computer.  You will connect to "grex.org" or
"cyberspace.org" with you usual login and password.  You should then be able
to select files to copy back to your computer.

If you are using a Mac running OS X, you have the unix ftp and scp commands
on your system.  Find the "Terminal" application, and run it.  It'll give you
a terminal window where you can type standard Unix commands in a standard unix
shell.

Unix-style ftp is run like

   ftp grex.org

It'll ask you for your login and password, then give you a prompt.  You
can do "ls" to list files in your Grex home directory, or "cd" to change
to a different directory on Grex.  Doing "get filename" will copy a file
from Grex to your local system.

Unix-style scp is less interactive, but more secure.  You do

  scp janc@grex.org:filename localfilename

To copy a file named "filename" on Grex to a file named "localfilename" on
your sytem.  It'll prompt you for a paasword.  You should give your login
instead of "janc" of course.

response 20 of 219:

Dec 23 23:27 UTC 2004

 re #17:  I haven't checked, but probably not.  The version of pine we
 are running here is quite ancient.

response 22 of 219:

Dec 24 03:27 UTC 2004

I use DOS telnet and ftp but usually I just dial in with DOS kermit and do
kermit file transfer on the same connection.  kermit -is mail would send a
binary file mail to my computer.  

response 24 of 219:

Dec 26 05:13 UTC 2004

I used to use SSHDOS back in the day.

response 28 of 219:

Dec 29 03:38 UTC 2004

It's only the truth.

response 30 of 219:

Dec 29 03:40 UTC 2004

Hmm... ft told me "response not entered."  I wonder why that is?

response 32 of 219:

Dec 29 03:49 UTC 2004

I can't telnet in, it says 'user not authenticated' and rejects my 
password