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marcvh
response 75 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 17:50 UTC 2006

So you'll end up with a perennial candidate who runs on a platform of
"don't vote for me, I'm only here to make the election legitimate."
mcnally
response 76 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 18:02 UTC 2006

 "If nominated, I will not run.  If elected, I will not serve."
                                   - William Tecumseh Sherman
albaugh
response 77 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:07 UTC 2006

You can't have an election determined by proclamation, since that would
prevent the opportunity for write-in candidates.
kingjon
response 78 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 19:30 UTC 2006

Re #72: There were more than two nominees; I suspect that they hadn't seen
their nominations in the item. I think we need to make sure that henceforward
there's the time period after the close of nominations but before the election
starts for the nominees to be notified.

mcnally
response 79 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 20:20 UTC 2006

 re #78:  I was one of the additional nominees and I can assure you, I saw
 my nomination.  However, I had just declined another nomination only a few
 weeks before and saw no need to issue a second refusal.
other
response 80 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 22:05 UTC 2006

A) You can't force people to accept a nomination.
B) You can't force people to run.
C) You can't force people to vote.

Given these facts, there is no reason to implement a policy that
prevents the organization from functioning for those who actually do
wish to participate.  If people want contests, then they should run. 
Richard, if you want competition for board positions, then you should
take it upon yourself to run and create that competition.  If you can't
even be bothered to do that, why should anyone pay attention to your
complaint about the lack of choice?

Also, given a policy that does not require a quorum, the logical
assumptions are that if you don't bother to vote, then you don't care
what the outcome is, and if you don't like the nominated choices in the
election, you will run for the position yourself.  Again, given this
basic logic, if you actually care (instead of just liking to bitch about
things and not do anything to change them -- in which case fuck you) but
aren't willing to do anything, why should anyone else care what you say
or think?
richard
response 81 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 22:37 UTC 2006

Other,  your "logical assumptions" are wrong.  Why would one logically run
for an office when one lives a thousand miles away and has no conceivable way
of ever attending a board meeting in person?  That doesn't mean that one can't
care about the process, and the legitimacy of the process.  

I ask again, how few is too few?  If only remmers and jan voted in this
election, and elected themselves, is that tantamount to a mandate from grex's
membership that they be on the board?  Why were the quorum requirements
rescinded in the first place?  Was the board too lazy to do mass mailings and
push members to vote?  It wouldn't be so hard to get the extra ten votes
needed to get over forty percent would it, if the board was working toward
that goal.

I think the quorum requirements were restricted because the board had no
interest in pushing its own members to be active in the organization.  So lets
eliminate quorum rules altogether, so the FEW can guarantee elections without
needing the MANY.  I ask again, HOW FEW IS TOO FEW?  
tod
response 82 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 22:41 UTC 2006

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060204/482/xsr20302040051
richard
response 83 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 10 22:52 UTC 2006

I suggest a sliding quorum requirement.  For the initial election, make the
quorum 40%, if a second election is needed, reduce quorum to thirty five
percent, if a third, thirty percent.  You'd still get to the point where an
election could take place with less than a quarter turnout, but not right away
and not easily.  
spooked
response 84 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 11 02:00 UTC 2006

I think the fact that people actually put forward themseleves to run is 
admirable and wins some votes - not to say that either candidate is not 
worthy of their board election victory, nor that they won't do a great 
job.


mcnally
response 85 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 11 03:30 UTC 2006

 re #81:
 > Why would one logically run for an office when one lives a thousand
 > miles away and has no conceivable way of ever attending a board meeting
 > in person?

 I'll admit that distance was a factor that led me to refuse nomination
 but bhoward finds the time to volunteer on the board and attends meetings
 via videoconference from Tokyo.
cross
response 86 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 11 04:43 UTC 2006

Richard, I think you take grex way too seriously.
janc
response 87 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 18:00 UTC 2006

I have nothing to say, but I am posting anyway, because I think the
subject under discussion is every bit as important as voting in an
uncontested election.  I call for all Grexers to stand firm in the
preservation of that greatest of all Grex traditions, pointless
activity.
kingjon
response 88 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 18:33 UTC 2006

Hear, hear!

tod
response 89 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 19:50 UTC 2006

Grex Error Alerts have been raised to color code chartreuse..
crimson
response 90 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 13 21:59 UTC 2006

... and downgraded again to mauve.
richard
response 91 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 15:26 UTC 2006

#87 jan, you'd call quorums pointless until grex is taken over by a fringe
element that gets its people elected to the board with half a dozen votes
because there is no quorum and nobody cares.  Radicals get elected in
societies with no quorums.
jep
response 92 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 16:01 UTC 2006

We've just elected a couple of radicals here!  Heh.

If Jan Wolter and John Remmers are the kinds of people we are electing 
to the Board, I have a very hard time being concerned about the manner 
in which they were selected.  I am completely failing to come up with 
any ambition to support making a change.
richard
response 93 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 16:20 UTC 2006

just because the results now are acceptable doesn't mean they will always be,
someday some twit is going to get elected to grex's board with eight votes.
tod
response 94 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 17:10 UTC 2006

/eg
jep
response 95 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 17:49 UTC 2006

If the Grex Board gets overrun by ninnies, then we'll all find 
something else to do with our time beside spending it on Grex.
tod
response 96 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 18:22 UTC 2006

if
mcnally
response 97 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 21:48 UTC 2006

 re #91, 93:  In other words, your nobleminded proposals are really
 intended to alter the system to ensure that a majority of voters
 never elects candidates who are unacceptable to you?
tod
response 98 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 22:06 UTC 2006

The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few...
nharmon
response 99 of 118: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 22:11 UTC 2006

or the one.
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