response 75 of 110:

Sep 8 15:43 UTC 2003

RE 72 Yeah, you deserve to lose your account, your privacy, your files, 
your identity...

re 73 It's not my problem if she gets confused over something.  As for 
the password, I logged in, reset it to what it was originally, and now 
it fails to work.   AND you still haven't even considered the possible 
solution of giving a warning.  In fact, I believe it was NON staff 
members who've had a more open view with this than you close-minded 
people.

response 77 of 110:

Sep 8 18:06 UTC 2003

Waisting.

response 79 of 110:

Sep 9 04:16 UTC 2003

Watching naftee/dah/polytarp/asddsa complain about the utterly
predictable results of stupid acts is very entertaining.
 
Though I'd suggest not setting the passwords back.  If the recipient
of the forwards complains, just splat the account, no saving throw.

response 81 of 110:

Sep 9 13:06 UTC 2003

Re 80: Are you addressing russ, or naftee?     8-{)]

response 83 of 110:

Sep 9 20:34 UTC 2003

Both the policies presented by russ and myself are more reasonable than the
current ones.

response 85 of 110:

Sep 9 20:54 UTC 2003

I nominate your mom.

response 87 of 110:

Sep 9 22:46 UTC 2003

(Re #84: Adoption of a policy by vote does not prove that
the policy is reasonable.)

response 89 of 110:

Sep 10 00:33 UTC 2003

Reasonable, being a highly subjective concept, may in this instance be 
considered to be effectively determined by a test of adoption and 
implementation by the membership of Grex.  

response 91 of 110:

Sep 10 00:47 UTC 2003

Imposter

response 93 of 110:

Sep 10 04:06 UTC 2003

Staff doesn't in general do a lot of warnings.  During that last hours, I
deleted files from probably 500 users, and nuked maybe 100 accounts.  I
didn't warn any of them.  In most cases, I took only the briefest look at
what they had.  If they had a big file named psybnc.tgz, I nuked it without
even bothering to check if it a copy of psybnc, rather than something
entirely innocent.  I did manage to free up a lot of diskspace though.

I used to be a lot more careful about these things.  I'd check things
carefully, send warnings, follow up on stuff.  Not any more.  Too much
crap and too little time.

I don't actually want to send 500 emails to various user telling them that
psybnc is not permitted on Grex.  I don't want to read 500 replies.  I don't
want to keep track of which users have been warned.  Sorry, no deal.  If
you leave a copy of psybnc on your account, I'll probably just delete it,
but I'll lock the account if it looks to me like they know this isn't
allowed (eg, if they stick it in a directory named ... or ' ' or something).
If they have exploits on the account, I'll nuke it.  I don't care if they
tried to use them or not.

When cleaning up disk space, I give people the fairest assessment that I can
give in 30 seconds.  I'm probably not wrong often.

You want us to send warnings to a user if they start doing stupid stuff?
I think you have no concept of the shear numbers of people doing stupid stuff
on Grex.  The case of setting your mail to forward to some other user is
in some way even more dubious than some of the others.  I could remove the
user's .forward file, and send him email, but I could hardly assume that
a person who set up all his Grex mail to forward elsewhere is going to
log onto Grex to read his mail.  Where should I send the warning?

Yeah, we probably could have gotten a warning to polytarp, but you want us
to send warnings as a matter of policy.  99.9% of the time, we don't know
the users doing this.  How do we warn them?

Should the rule be different for users we know?

Processing staff mail and cleaning up the disks aren't exactly huge amounts
of fun.  Do you think you'll improve the way these jobs are getting done
by passing some policy mandating that they be done in a way that doesn't
make sense to the people doing them?  Do enough of that, and they'll fire
themselves.

The staffers are all sensible people.  If you have sensible complaints and
sensible suggestions we'll handle them.  If you want to bring a policy up
for vote, go ahead.  Just don't expect it to pass or anything.

response 95 of 110:

Sep 10 07:27 UTC 2003

Really not worth explaining so much to someone who is just killing time.

response 97 of 110:

Sep 10 20:08 UTC 2003

Re #89: Um, no.

response 99 of 110:

Sep 13 20:16 UTC 2003

What a three ring circus.