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Grex > Coop > #39: Member Proposal: Create Three Classes of Grex Accounts: Users, Community Users, Validated Users |  |
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sholmes
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response 75 of 150:
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Sep 5 14:26 UTC 2007 |
off topic but would it help if staf mails the staff on other similar systems
like sdf etc and ask how they are tackling the spam problem?
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kingjon
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response 76 of 150:
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Sep 5 18:43 UTC 2007 |
erm ... If the user does not have the ability to send even local email, how is
he or she going to respond to the email asking how he or she found out about
Grex? (As specified as the method for validation.)
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cmcgee
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response 77 of 150:
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Sep 5 18:48 UTC 2007 |
Staff has a plan. I'm not sure what it involves, but that was a
critical component in the way I wrote this.
It is clear that vandals have made use of local email access, so there
really is no way to remain a good net citizen and allow that.
If the staff plan doesn't work, we will then have to have an off-site
email address in order for the validation to occur.
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mcnally
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response 78 of 150:
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Sep 5 19:24 UTC 2007 |
Can I make what I hope is a fairly common-sense suggestion -- which is
that you come up with whatever procedures, implement them in a kind of
practice or test mode first (e.g. creation through a "newnewuser"
account creation process..), have some people try to use them, make sure
the limitations work, make sure the "promotion" procedures work, etc..
In other words, work all this out, including the procedures, using
volunteers first, and only THEN change newuser to make this the new
standard (assuming that this scheme is even approved in the first place.)
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cross
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response 79 of 150:
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Sep 5 19:26 UTC 2007 |
Sure, but we need to have the policy in place before we can do anything.
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denise
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response 80 of 150:
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Sep 5 20:01 UTC 2007 |
And how and when do we get to sign up those of us that want to be
helpers [and get the basic 'training']? Is this going to be discussed
at one of the upcoming board meetings?
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cross
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response 81 of 150:
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Sep 5 20:38 UTC 2007 |
Yes, I think we can certainly add an agenda item for the next board meeting
to formalize the process a bit more.
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cmcgee
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response 82 of 150:
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Sep 6 00:32 UTC 2007 |
McNally, unless staff can come up with a workable solution, we will have
exactly what is posted in this item: A Grex where you cannot get social
validation without an offsite email address.
I'm really really hoping staff can make that work. But I'm not willing
to leave us in suspended animation any longer waiting for that to
happen.
People are currently exploiting our openness to vandalize individuals,
Grex, and other systems. We need to stop that.
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slynne
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response 83 of 150:
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Sep 6 00:44 UTC 2007 |
I support bringing this to a vote
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cross
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response 84 of 150:
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Sep 6 21:04 UTC 2007 |
Folks, there's email, and there's Email. We can certainly create some way
to send messages to someone that *look* like email, and to get a response
back. Perhaps, ``cut and paste this into the grex terminal'' sorts of things
that run some kind of script.
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gelinas
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response 85 of 150:
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Sep 10 00:47 UTC 2007 |
This item was originally posted on August 6, 2007. The final text was posted
on September 4, 2007. By the end of September 6, 2007, 6 members had endorsed
bringing the proposal to a vote. As of today, we have 56 members, so 6
members constitutes more than 10% of the membership.
I've been asked to run the election. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time
right now to set up the election. I will make time to set it up tomorrow,
to run for 10 days. The voting booth will open at or about 00:01, Tuesday,
September 11, 2007.
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slynne
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response 86 of 150:
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Sep 10 03:11 UTC 2007 |
Thanks Joe!
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gelinas
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response 87 of 150:
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Sep 11 02:34 UTC 2007 |
If I did everything correctly, the voting should start at midnight. Both
terminal and web access should work. If not, someone who knows how should
give me a call, when the/a problem is discovered.
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tsty
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response 88 of 150:
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Sep 11 02:53 UTC 2007 |
waht about CURRENT well-knowns? or is this *solely* new loginids?
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cmcgee
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response 89 of 150:
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Sep 11 04:34 UTC 2007 |
The voting booth is available if you use www.cyberspace.org
For some reason www.grex.org shows me the older webpage. Perhaps it's a
browser cache problem.
Telnetting in to vote does not work. I've informed Gelinas of the
problem, and he will take care of it in the morning.
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cmcgee
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response 90 of 150:
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Sep 11 04:40 UTC 2007 |
TS, no one who currently has email access will lose it because of this
proposal.
Logins that currently do not have email access will automatically be in
the User group, and will need to go through the process to be promoted
to the Community User group.
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cmcgee
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response 91 of 150:
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Sep 11 04:45 UTC 2007 |
Yep, browser cache issue. Refreshing the page gave me access to the
voting booth.
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remmers
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response 92 of 150:
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Sep 11 15:54 UTC 2007 |
(Could I suggest making the voting booth link on the main page "secure"
(i.e. https) to that login and password won't be sent in the clear.)
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remmers
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response 93 of 150:
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Sep 11 15:55 UTC 2007 |
Also, the web voting form should contain the full wording of the proposal.
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cmcgee
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response 94 of 150:
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Sep 11 16:04 UTC 2007 |
John, has the complete voteadmin procedure been documented? Apparently
what Joe has access to isn't easily understandable.
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remmers
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response 95 of 150:
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Sep 11 16:19 UTC 2007 |
Vote program installation and configuration is documented on the
"Grexdoc" CVS server; see e.g. ~remmers/grexdoc/vote/doc. I guess
conventions of a non-technical nature like "what to put on the voting
form" aren't spelled out. What I always did was to put the full wording
of the proposal and a link to the Coop discussion item. Those can
easily be added by editing the relevant files that reside in the
/var/spool/vote directory.
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denise
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response 96 of 150:
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Sep 11 17:07 UTC 2007 |
I know this doesn't have to do with the voting but I'm not sure which
item to ask in--and this is the closest one I see about members... I
read somewhere here [on one of the links or something?] that there is a
grex ' handbook'. Is that still around somewhere, and if so, how can I
get ahold of one? Thanks.
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cross
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response 97 of 150:
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Sep 11 18:17 UTC 2007 |
The voting programs were installed as per the grexdoc documentation (by me).
I think the questions are about the softer side of running a poll.
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cross
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response 98 of 150:
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Sep 11 21:58 UTC 2007 |
FYI, I don't think the vote is properly configured (or maybe I'm just
confused):
: grex 1169; vote
*** Welcome to the Grex Voting Booth, cross! ***
Improper format in candlist
: grex 1170;
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gelinas
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response 99 of 150:
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Sep 12 02:09 UTC 2007 |
cross, that is the problem cmcgee mentioned in *89 above. It's fixed now.
I've also secured the web voting booth and added the full text of the
proposal, as suggested by remmers. I'll add a link to the discussion
when I figure out "peek."
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