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gelinas
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response 75 of 118:
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Feb 22 03:09 UTC 2007 |
Re 39: Why do you think newuser was off for 9 months? Or, which nine months
do you think it was off for? Last I checked, it was disabled in December and
renabled in January.
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cross
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response 76 of 118:
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Feb 22 04:01 UTC 2007 |
Regarding #75; It occurs to me that one reason this last reap was so big is
because newuser was off for so long. It seems clear that most accounts on
grex are unused. Probably, the 90 day window is large enough to account for
some percentage of accounts that are created, but then unused after an initial
login or two. The long period without a reap probably saw most accounts go
dormant, without the influx of new accounts to flesh out the remaining
numbers.
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sholmes
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response 77 of 118:
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Feb 22 05:00 UTC 2007 |
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cmcgee
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response 78 of 118:
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Feb 22 12:41 UTC 2007 |
Hmm, I think I am recalling the MOTD from last year, which seemed to indicate
that newuser was not available. I tried several times (meaning 3 or 4) to
start an account under a different login, and was not successful. I don't
have data, just my impression.
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kingjon
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response 79 of 118:
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Feb 22 15:43 UTC 2007 |
As I recall, it was closed in January of *last* year and opened again in
January of *this* year. 9 months, if my memory serves, is actually three months
shorter than the actual closing.
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cross
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response 80 of 118:
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Feb 22 15:46 UTC 2007 |
That doesn't really change the numbers, though.
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keesan
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response 81 of 118:
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Feb 22 16:20 UTC 2007 |
How is ls -l /var/mail an invasion of privacy? I am happy using grex mail
with spamassassin already. I am just trying to make it easier for other
people to use a spam filter here. Rane objected to having to edit the sample
.procmailrc I sent him (to change my login to his). Denise has no idea how
to edit anything at grex. Could someone on staff just find the time to write
some script to automate the creation of a .procmailrc that uses spamassassin
and either dumps anything with five points (or three points, I never had a
false positive that way) or sends it to a spam filter, your choice? Or even
post my email in motd offering to help people set up procmail to filter spam.
Staff was talking about a system-wide use of spamassassin but it would take
too much resources if used on everyone's mail, which is why I was looking for
some way to close accounts that their owners never used first.
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nharmon
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response 82 of 118:
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Feb 22 16:31 UTC 2007 |
This response has been erased.
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ric
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response 83 of 118:
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Feb 22 19:32 UTC 2007 |
keesan, YOU CAN'T TELL WHEN SOMEONE HAS ACCESSED THEIR MAIL BY LOOKING AT THE
DATE ON THE FILE!
Every time a new message arrives, that file is updated, and gets a new date...
I'm pretty sure of that.
I already said that once, but you seemed to ignore me. You can't tell the
last access time by doing "ls -l /var/mail"
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On a side note.. doesn't grex still follow the 30 day reap policy?
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keesan
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response 84 of 118:
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Feb 22 19:35 UTC 2007 |
But you can tell that no new messages have arrived in the last 90 days.
I guess it would not be relevant to spamassassin to delete accounts that
have not received any spam in 90 days and we don't need the disk space again
yet. Would it be possible to send everyone an email explaining how to set
up spamassassin for their account?
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cmcgee
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response 85 of 118:
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Feb 22 20:00 UTC 2007 |
SPAM everyone on grex? Sindi, if people want help setting up spamassin, it
is freely available.
Flooding the system with a solution in search of a problem makes no sense
whatsovever. Do you not understand that staff WILL NOT work on the spam
problem? There are higher priorities for staff time.
Don't "help" people who a) don't feel they have a problem, and b)haven't asked
for help solving their nonexistant problem.
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keesan
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response 86 of 118:
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Feb 22 20:09 UTC 2007 |
A message in motd linked to an explanation of how to set up spamassassin and
offering my help? Everyone I know who is using grex mail thinks spam is a
problem but thinks there is no solution available. Or is waiting for staff
to fix the problem.
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ric
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response 87 of 118:
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Feb 22 20:12 UTC 2007 |
If no new mail has arrived in the last 90 days for a specific user, then why
do we REALLY care?
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You could also run pine on your own machine and use Google Mail's pop3 and
smtp capabilities with pine... free of charge. The nyou'd also have web
access to your mail when you're some place with a modern internet connection.
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cmcgee
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response 88 of 118:
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Feb 22 20:25 UTC 2007 |
I suggest you contact everyone you know who thinks spam is a problem and offer
your help. Surely you can convince them that there is a solution available
if they allow you to set up a filter for them. After that, contact everyone
you know who is waiting for staff to fix the problem. Point them to staff
responses in this item, and offer to help them set up a filter.
Then whenever someone asks for help with spam, you can email them privately
and offer to help them set up a filter.
You would then have solved all the problems you know about, and would be ready
to solve any new ones.
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keesan
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response 89 of 118:
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Feb 22 22:38 UTC 2007 |
I don't WANT to use either pop mail or webmail. I delete most of my mail
after looking at the subject line (freecycle mail). I read mail from three
locations. I hate webmail.
I don't know most of the people who would benefit from a spam filter at grex.
Nobody on staff appears to have time and interest to help them. This is why
I suggested something in motd.
I am happy with pine and .procmailrc.
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cross
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response 90 of 118:
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Feb 22 23:14 UTC 2007 |
Regarding #89; Sometimes life is tough, Keesan. Get used to it.
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gelinas
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response 91 of 118:
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Feb 23 00:21 UTC 2007 |
I recall newuser being closed last January, briefly, while bhoward instituted
mail-blocking for new accounts; I *think* it was reopened by February. A
check of one of the newuser logs shows errors for every month since November,
2005, EXCEPT for December, 2006: there were no errors between Nov 22, 2006
and Jan 17, 2007.
Another log file shows three registrations between Nov 24, 2006, and Jan 14,
2007: one each on Dec 6, Jan 1, and Jan 4. Other than that, there seem to be
no significant gaps in registrations.
Sorry, folks: newuser was NOT closed for "nine months."
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cmcgee
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response 92 of 118:
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Feb 23 00:23 UTC 2007 |
Thanks Joe, I appreciate having actual data.
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cmcgee
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response 93 of 118:
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Feb 23 00:43 UTC 2007 |
I don't know most of the people who would benefit from a spam filter at grex.
Nobody on staff appears to have time and interest to help them.
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You simply have no way of knowing who would or would not benefit. You are
making assumptions about their feelings, desires, and helplessness.
Your paternailistic, controlling attitude that you know best for all these
strangers is irritating, as is your snide dig at staff.
Please, let this drop. When people ask for help here, they get it. When
other people start "helping" them whether they want to be helped or not, I
get worried. It is none of your business. And staff has repeatedly told you
it is none of their business either.
The steps I outlined are ways you could personally make an impact. You appear
to have the time and interest to help the people who you know would benefit.
The rest will just have to live with reality until they are ready to ask for
help. And, until they ask, it is no one's business but their own how they
deal with spam, email, and their private communication tools.
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keesan
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response 94 of 118:
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Feb 23 18:10 UTC 2007 |
It is not necessary to be nasty. Board has done a lot of talking about a
system-wide spam filter but nothing has been implemented yet. Remmers was
working on it before he quit staff. I am offering to help those who still
want a spam filter and have no idea how to figure it out on their own. I need
some cooperation from someone on staff to stick a help offer in motd. Is
everyone on staff reading this item or should I mail a couple of staff members
who have not shown a presence here?
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tod
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response 95 of 118:
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Feb 23 18:21 UTC 2007 |
Why is Cindy being berated for trying to solve the Grex mail problem? There
are plenty of reasons to provide the solution for "everyone". I don't think
it is paternalistic at all. And frankly, I think several of you on the board
are being rude with your personal attacks.
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mcnally
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response 96 of 118:
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Feb 23 21:34 UTC 2007 |
re #95: there's a difference between "trying to solve the Grex mail
problem" and "trying to incessantly badger other people into solving
the Grex mail problem by imposing one's own personal preferences on
everyone."
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tod
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response 97 of 118:
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Feb 23 22:39 UTC 2007 |
There is?
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keesan
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response 98 of 118:
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Feb 24 00:27 UTC 2007 |
How is it imposing one's personal preferences by suggesting various things
that might be done to make it possible to set up a system-wide spam filter,
or asking staff to post an offer to help with individual filters?
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tod
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response 99 of 118:
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Feb 24 00:33 UTC 2007 |
Requesting something of staff puts you under suspicion of not being an
assimilated robot. Please visit the infirmary immediately after taking the
blue pill.
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